gps auto steer
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Topic: gps auto steer
Posted By: fourthgeneration
Subject: gps auto steer
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 9:56pm
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We have an Allis Chalmers 8000 series that i would like to add Auto steering to plant with. I would like to know if anyone has a part number(s) for the load sensing control valves and steering position sensor that i should be looking for? i am hoping to find them used if possible,
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 11:50pm
| they are all over on auctions! people buy them things, use them a year, and off to the auction house they go! lol |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 2:19am
| I use case-IH/trimble in my 8070. That's the one with the motor and little rubber wheel that turns the steering wheel. Worked good for me. Darrel |
Posted By: GregStremel
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 6:28am
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We use Agleader with the motor that turns the steering wheel. It works well. The hydraulic type that taps into the steering would also be nice, but it might be more trouble than what it is worth. |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 6:52am
I'm looking into auto steer as well for my 7060. What made you go with Ag Leader over Trimble? That seems like what most people put in their Allis's ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
GregStremel wrote:Posted By: GregStremel
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 7:01am
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My brother bought it. He uses it on his 8070 we use to plant. WAAS not rtk, but our corn rows look good. We also plan to put one on our sprayer. You can move components fairly easy, we wanted a separate unit so we would have a backup available on the farm if needed. He just liked the unit.. Not aware of any specific featured. But we do like the way it works. |
Posted By: randy
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 7:51am
This is what i have. WAAS signal, works ok to plant with. ------------- CA WD WD45 D17 D17 Diesel 7060 8050 8070 |
Posted By: BLee Mn
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 10:21am
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I used a JD universal auto steer system on my 8070, what I liked was you replaced the whole steering wheel, so you didn't have a big motor hanging off to the side, looked neat and compact, worked good. ------------- Cowboy UP |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 6:31pm
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What was the cost to go with Deere? I like the thought of rtk, but waas is cheaper ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 18 Feb 2017 at 6:45pm
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Check with ILGleaner. He might have just what your looking for. We run a Trimble 750 with Easy Steer and field IQ. It turns the planter on & off at the end rows, middle end rows, and point rows. I still use the markers and run on the free signal. Now I steer it with the nudge arrows as needed. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 8:37am
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Will do Biggest thing I'd like GPS for is for planting beans with my 20' tye drill. It doesn't have markers on it and I can't see where I've planted with it to save my life. Looked at buying markers, but good markers cost about as much as auto steer. And I'd get more use out of the auto steer ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: fourthgeneration
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 10:07am
| I'm assuming the steering wheel gps does not use a steering angle sensor? |
Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 10:29am
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I have two of the John Deere ATU steering wheel units and I love them. I used them for the last 4 or 5 seasons. You can plant with sf2 you don't have to have RTK. You can also use a repeater to improve accuracy. ------------- Dustin in CA |
Posted By: a jossund
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2017 at 10:39am
| Your correct the EZ Steer with the motor dose not use any angle sensor. We run four EZ steer systems plus some intergrated systems. The EZ steer is by far the simplest the mount up. Everything is inside the cap. Weve planted sugar beets and corn with ours they do a good job. Look into EZ Pilot, if they make a steering wheel adaptor that is away nicer system. You replace your steering wheel with the trimble steering wheel with a motor built into the base of the wheel. That way you get the simplicity but dont have that big wheel in the way. We put EZ Pilots in two of our Versatiles becuase the EX steer motors were really hard on the steering colums with the added weaight. |
Posted By: VAfarmboy
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 12:15pm
I don't know why in the hell people buy those things. I wouldn't have one because I like driving the tractor and I don't want some damn computer driving it. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 12:27pm
| VA farm boy, I used to feel that way, too. Especially whenthey first came out, and people were paying 50 grand for auto steers. But I have always been pretty adomant about having straight rows, and when I was still in partnership with my brother in law, and his motto was that you could get more seed in a crooked row, it would make my blood boil. Then, about five years ago, I bought a used tractor from a guy, and he left the auto steer in it for me. After using it, I wouldn't be without it. Straight rows. ...I love em. Darrel |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 12:59pm
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In 2013, we couldn't plant because the rains that spring would not stop. I just installed a used Trimble 250 in the 7045. Sewed 700 acres of oats with it. The old tractor pulling the spreader made straight passes ever 36' apart. Planting after dark, there is no good way to know if you are into the end rows far enough and can lift the planter. We have Trimble 750's with the Field IQ and now the planter turns on and off automatically on the first inside end row. Our old rear fold Kinze's plant like new top of the line Kinze, Deere, CaseIH, or White with the ISO computers. And they can do it on the free signal. They are a TV remote control or your garage door remote. Do you need it? No. Then don't ever use one, or you will need one, or two, or three, or more. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 1:08pm
------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: bigal121892
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 2:08pm
We have them on my main tractors. One of my younger brother's is handicapped, he is perfectly capable of operating a tractor, but would have trouble making pass to pass, either being too wide, or to far overlapped. With auto-steer, this is not a problem; We have extra help when we need it, and he has a purpose. I'm insulin dependent, when planting, the stress of planting was screwing with my diabetes. Now you might think this is not stressful, and I might not think it's stressful, but my body said otherwise. Since going to auto steer on the planting tractor, it has made the difference as to if I could continue to farm or not. But besides that, when planting, I can turn around in the tractor seat, and actually watch the planter. Same way with combining, the system steers, and I'm taking notes, not to mention the fact, it makes 40' heads easier to operate. The way I look at it is, I don't want to be an equipment driver, I want to be an equipment operator.
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Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 5:54pm
| Our two planter tractors have integrated auto steer with Agleader InCommand monitors. They will plant over the hills with +-1" accuracy. These monitors will actually communicate with each other so I can see where dad planted and he can use my AB line. His row shut offs will also go off on my end rows. I didn't like the idea of auto steer before, but I've planted 3 years now without using a marker arm, and there is no worry about being off a row on corn. We would plant 200 acres a day and be wore out at the end of the day, now we could plant 300 acres and not be as tired. |
Posted By: Sagefarmer
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 7:18pm
| Hey 7060, are your 2 planter tractors Allis Chalmers. I run RTK Trimble on our Green bedding tractor and like not having the wheel motor in the cab. We plant most of our crops on beds. It is a necessity. I would like to find a neat way to put it on the 8070 without the wheel motor and spending $20k. If I could get it to work I could have more orange and not so much green. |
Posted By: 7060
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2017 at 9:59pm
| Unfortunately they are not. They are tracked challengers. The tracked tractors and a lot of the newer tractors come autosteer ready and you don't need to mess with the valve. You can buy the valve and harness and install it yourself for about $7000 if I remember right, and then install agleader steercommand. Your best bet for a super easy installation would be the new agleader Ontrac3. You install a ring gear on the bottom of the steering wheel, and then the steering control attaches to it. You can move it to another tractor/sprayer pretty easy and it doesn't have that finger pinching motor running on the outside of the wheel. |
Posted By: corbinstein
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 6:47am
Well, if you wouldn't get so drunk up on that tractor, you're rows wouldn't be so crooked! 
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Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 7:13am
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That's something to look into for sure. Seems like most non Deere guys run Trimble or Ag Leader ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: fourthgeneration
Date Posted: 27 Feb 2017 at 10:47am
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Thank you for the replies but does anyone have the model number off the control valve that i need to be looking for? The main reason I want the hydraulic valve control is it is a more accurate system that is not affected by hydraulic drift in the orbital motor. The reason I'm looking at auto steer is two fold. First is I have two bulged discs in my neck and planting really is really aggravates it. Second is I see a planter with row shut off in the future. Planting no-till at night is difficult also. |
Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2017 at 9:19pm
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I know this is a old post but I’m running Ag leader integra with auto swath row shut offs on a kinze 8-15 planter. I’m thinking of adding on track 3. I’m already invested in Ag leader. Just wondering if anyone knows of any more reasonable options for auto steer. Anything compatible with Ag leader monitor. Thanks for you help |
Posted By: soybreedingboy77
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2017 at 1:37pm
| We are an Outback dealer in Illinois. Hydraulic auto steer on WAAS would be about 7k. Steering wheel system on WAAS is about $500 more. |
Posted By: farmboy78
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2021 at 9:32pm
| do you have pictures of how you mounted the john deere atu ? thanks |
Posted By: farmboy78
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2021 at 9:35pm
| dustin,,do you have any pictures of how you mounted the john deere atu on the steering wheel column, i need to figure out how to take the oem steering wheel off as well, thanks. Mark |
Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 28 Mar 2021 at 10:43pm
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I don’t have any luck posting pictures on this forum. Deere has a mounting kit that is basically a u bolt. It’s simple and have hubs that fit any model. ------------- Dustin in CA |
Posted By: farmboy78
Date Posted: 29 Mar 2021 at 10:36pm
| shoot me an email at markluedke@frontier.com i can send you a number if you would like to text me pictures, thanks Mark |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 01 Apr 2021 at 6:41am
I'm just posting these pics for Dswall. He will probably explain about them?     |
Posted By: ENG_Farms
Date Posted: 15 Feb 2023 at 4:29pm
| For the guys that put a John Deere ATU in a 7000 series, what PN spline kit did you use. I want to put one in a 7010 |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 5:45am
It all comes down to money. Over a 1000 acres and a few years it doesn’t take much waste from overlap to add up. We have ran a light bar to spay and spread fertilizer for pushing 15 years. Got my first auto steer a couple years ago and this past summer put it in my 8050 to plant beans with. Did a test pass with it while discing last fall and now I’m casually looking for two more systems for my tillage tractors. I see how they could over time pay for themselves. Like I’ve read on other sites you can focus on the field operation and not following a line. Even with LED’s planter marks can get hard to see at 2am. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: ENG_Farms
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 2:02pm
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Posted By: Mikez
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2023 at 11:13pm
| It is kinda cool. I don’t have any experience planting but I was chopping corn stalks after the combine few winters ago and the tractor I was using had auto steer. I did part of the field with out it then the one guy said try it. So I played with settings for the size of brush hog. And started on other side of field. When I got to middle and met up to the side I started without. I couldn’t believe the amount that showed that would have saved if used auto steer from other side. |
Posted By: 977.3Ford
Date Posted: 19 Feb 2023 at 3:00pm
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I'm running an Ag Leader Edge on WAAS in my 8050. This fall i picked up a OnTrac2 steering unit for a steal but haven't had time to get it working well. Biggest issue i'm having is a lot of slop in the steering which causes a delay in steering correction, and then it starts weaving through the field. I believe the newer systems deal with the slop in the steering better. I also have a lightbar i can stick up on the windshield which is what i used most of last year. I'm running a 15ft drill without markers and just having the lightbar made it easier to keep things straight and even. I'm hoping to get the Ontrac2 working better for this year but may just spend the money to go to a newer system. As for true hydraulic steering check out agopengps.com TONS of info on there from all across the globe. Lots of guys are making their own hydraulic steering systems, and even a lot of guys making their own RTK receivers to use with various guidance systems. Otherwise i've been told its close to
$10k or more to go with a full hydraulic retrofit system from Ag Leader
or Outback.  ------------- Jimmy 1982 8050 Powershift 1982 6080 1992 R52 Gleaner |