Mounting Rear Tractor Tires
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Topic: Mounting Rear Tractor Tires
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Subject: Mounting Rear Tractor Tires
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 7:41pm
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After years of fighting to get tubes over the rims and in the tire Ted Buisker told me how he has been doing his for years. You put the tube in the tire and inflate the tube until it takes shape but yet you can still move the tube in the tire. Now continue mounting the tire as normal. You will not pinch the tube. http://s161.photobucket.com/user/caallis/media/Rims/IMG_0777_zpslhfflvpe.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> 
I've done my last 6 tires this way and it is far easier and faster.
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 8:58pm
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Another thing that I took for granted. I learned that tidbit over 50 years ago and just never thought that someone else wouldn't know about it.....Also make sure you've got ALL the sand etc. out of the tire. It isn't very friendly to the tube. ATF works great for liberally smearing the rim and the tire bead to help get it on. Oh yeah, make sure you get the valve stem in the hole before you finish. I use a valve stem puller to hold them in place till you get it all done and inflate. HTH ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:00pm
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Oh yeah, there is also the problem of making sure you have the valve stem coming out the correct side of the tire and also that the tire tread is going the correct way of travel. I've done that wrong ONCE........once is enough!!
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Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:13pm
| ATF will ruin the tube. Use rubber lube, much cheaper than a new tube and the work. MACK |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:45pm
| wonder if that's how Eldon does the 300 or so he does every year? |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 12 Nov 2016 at 9:52pm
| Granddad taught me that trick about putting air in the tube first years ago when I learned how to change a bicycle tube! Boy, was changing bike tubes ever hard!! (For a 7 year old) Then a few years later I changed a 6.00x16 tire. Got to learn all about spoons, and how I really needed to be about twice my size to do it efficiently! Bike tubes didn't seem too bad after that!!! |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 7:05am
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MACK wrote:Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 9:31am
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What are you guys using for tire tools and bead breakers? I have 4 rear tires in my future... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 10:12am
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Ken Tools makes the two like what I have although I got the curved one from my Dad. The curved one alone is about 90-95 bucks, the second one is about 30" long, about 40 bucks.These two along with a 2lb hammer and an hour of time I got a 11.2-24 off a rim that had been fluid filled for almost 60 years. Takes patience, and work your way around the tire, don't expect to pop it right off the first pry. http://s769.photobucket.com/user/actractorman/media/Shop/tire%20tool%201_zpsfpejfsww.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s769.photobucket.com/user/actractorman/media/Shop/8e5b2a7c-b42f-4ae5-b9c4-199dd8acc929_zpskcedp2mb.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  I will add that I went to bed with some very sore arms also. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 10:19am
| What're y'all's best bead breaking tips? I had one tire that was so stubborn, even driving the truck on top and pressing the edge with the front end loader didn't help! Phfffft! |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 10:34am
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Getting the beads popped is the hard part. I just had a brainstorm. Since two of the tires are 11.2-24 for my CA, they're not much wider than a big pickup tire. Makes me wonder if the tire is not too tall to pop them on the rim clamp at work. Gimme a day or two and I'll have the answer... ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: JoeM(GA)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 10:36am
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I use my backhoe to break beads now, be careful driving a truck up on them to pop the bead, one of my friends did that a couple of years ago and instead of the bead popping, the tire/rim flipped up, got the fender and drove the mirror into the door, was a newer Chevy, the body shop bill was a couple of thousand! I hate doing tires myself, but you can't find hardly anyone around here to do one.
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Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 1:20pm
I've always done it the hard way...I just lately learned how to set the rim on the tire and mount it that way, flip it over and do the other side... much easier than setting the tire on the rim. I use a bar of soap and rub it on the tire and rim, not as messy and the beads seem to pop easier. ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: TMiller/NC
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 2:13pm
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I use a hydraulic jack, angle iron and thread rod. Don't know ifg I have a pic but works good. I use this to break the bead loose. |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 2:50pm
| My rear tires were no good so I used a saber saw with a wood blade and cut a good size hole in it .Then cut wire with a chisel and just rolled tire off. |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 3:06pm
Doesn't everyone have a high-lift jack?? WTH is wrong with Photo Bucket? It is SO slow.....and they are now bombarding us with ads. They pushing for us to BUY space?? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 3:07pm
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To break the bead I use the loader bucket to push the bead down the rim. The tools I use are made by Ken. They make tire work less work. The shape at the end of the bar makes all the difference as you can hook the tire or the rim with out the bar slipping. Also the bars don't bend or flex, all the power you put in it goes right to the rim and tire. This make it great. http://s161.photobucket.com/user/caallis/media/Rims/f8a0a468-440a-44dc-8cb4-bb3976ed5124_zps2guqwb2f.jpg.html" rel="nofollow"> 
------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 3:09pm
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You just use the bottom of the hitch for the top jack lip and use the bottom plate of the jack against the tire bead. Pops right off! I just use the rope to insure that the top of the jack doesn't slip out backwards off the tongue of the hitch. ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: DennisA (IL)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 3:11pm
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[QUOTE=Ted J]
Doesn't everyone have a high-lift jack?? Very good picture Ted. All you need is a jack and something to jack against. ------------- Thanks & God Bless Dennis |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 3:17pm
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My latest investment...should have bought one years ago. http://s29.photobucket.com/user/ejons/media/005_zpswnsybwv5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 3:19pm
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and my backup.... http://s29.photobucket.com/user/ejons/media/001_zps9irqef2y.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Leon B MO
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 5:03pm
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I had a very bad experience this fall breaking a bead on an 18.4x38. Still healing, I'll post a thread when it heals a bit more, telling the whole story. A split second of in-attention that I'll pay for for a long time. BE CAREFULL! Leon B ------------- Uncle always said "Fill the back of the shovel and the front will take care of itself". |
Posted By: BrianC
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 5:59pm
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Slide impact bead breaker works good for me. http://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools/product_200329615_200329615" rel="nofollow - bead breaker |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 8:21pm
| Have been told to pour gas around beads, let it soak in and they will brake loose easy. Never tried it and wouldn't want to on a good tire or tube. MACK |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 8:28pm
| Getting the second bead off the rim was the worst part until I chained the rim to bottom of forklift and tire to forks, raised lift it came right off. MACK |
Posted By: JW in MO
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 9:03pm
I had a tire guy do that to a fluid filled tire I had to replace the tube on 6 years or so ago, (probably 10 if I looked it up). He pumped out the fluid, used an air powered bead breaker to get a gap started, rotated it to the top and used a dish soap bottle of gasoline and squirted enough on to run all the way around the bead, let it sit a couple minutes and it seemed easier to get the bead to break loose. He rinsed it off and used some slimy stuff rather liberally when he put it back together and so far everything is good. ------------- Maximum use of available resources! |
Posted By: Johnwilson_osf
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 9:27pm
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We use all of the above for tires. The one trick that we have is for tires that are still on the tractor. We had to put a new tube in the rear of our 6080, so after we pumped the calcium out, we put one of our drop hitches in the receiver of the truck sideways. Then we back up until the hitch is aligned with the bead. Then we gently back up. Turn the tire 90 degrees, and do the same thing. Usually at 180 degrees, she pops off. Once she is broken, we can use the tools and spoons to pull the tire partly off, and then replace. The other trick we have is for filling tires. We had an old PTO powered pump (the type you can get at Tractor Supply) that did not pump well on the sprayer. I think the bushings are worn from all the chemical. So I plumbed it with Quick Connect fittings, and got the Stem adapter, and when she is all hooked up, we turn the valve stem down, and turn on the Pump. She pulls the liquid out into 55 gallon drums. All we have to do is swap the quick connect hoses to pump the calcium back in. Haven't had to call the tire guy in a while. John ------------- Allis Express: Eastern PA on Rt 80 8050, 8010, 6080, 190, D14, DA 6035, AA 6690, 5650, Gleaner F2 |
Posted By: Ray54
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 10:05pm
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How many of you have tried changing tires with the wheel still on tractor? The first time was a new tire(maybe been on a year) with a bad tube on a combine(not mine). Tire professional had knuckle boom lift arm on his truck. Got the end of boom in the bead just like a tubeless auto tire. The second was White 2-60 (1975) 3 or 4 years ago, original 16.9 x 30 tires on it yet. One had to be filled every day to us it a little. Looked for used tires and it sat about a year. Guy living next door doing independent mechanic and truck tire work had done a smaller tractor tires for $25 each. The first was done before I could leave what I was doing to see how he did it.The second one didn't go so good. He was using a regular 8 or 10 lbs tire hammer and beat until he could not swing it effectively anymore (smoking and pot use where not helping). After he told me the first time of not taking wheel the off tractor,I assumed he had a bead breaker like Eldon pictured but so. I use to split a lot of fire wood by hand and could transfer that swing into doing alright with a tire hammer. But would be lost trying to hit it on the tractor. Having damaged nerves in right hand I don't get a good grip anymore and wood splitting is not to good so tire beating is out altogether. Last tires I beat I used big pry bar with a 30 degree angle at the tip and steel post pounder. Worked real good ,but was not a tire that had rusted on wheel over 30 years ether. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 11:33pm
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Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 4:26am
Eldon, since you are our expert on tire changing, how about a video of you doing one that way?!?!  Everybody else agree?? ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:15am
Me Too! Best tool money I have spent in years.
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:28am
Best way I have found is take it to the tire place down the road.  ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 8:28am
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Posted By: Hockeygoon
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 8:36am
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Just had the bead broke on 50 year old D17 rear tire. Laid it flat on the ground and put the outrigger from the backhoe on one side and used the bucket to push down on the other side. Took about 2 minutes to do what would have been a good couple hours of work. I have used the highlift jack method to break a bead - but on old nasty rusty rims I've found even all the weight of a D17 isn't enough to break one loose. |
Posted By: alan-nj
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 10:28am
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My father was in the trucking business. About 50 years ago, I started knocking apart truck tires for him using the wedge below to break the beads. I was about 10 or 12 years old. 10:00/20's with lock rims. For about 10 years while I still lived at home I did hundreds of them. No safety cage, and never had a problem. Wish I had a coin for every swing with the sledge hammer I took at that thing. I have the wedge now and still use it. I have no idea when he first bought it, but is was well used when I started with it. BTW, it was made by Ken Tool. I guess they've been around for a while. On old tires that are really stuck, gas will really help loosen the bead. Obviously the longer the tire has been on, the harder it is to get off. Bought a wd45 last year for the tires, which probably had been on since the 60's. On the first tire, it took me and my wedge, down pressure from the front end loader, and driving on it with another tractor over 4 hours to break it loose. For the 2nd tire, I took it to the local tire shop. Cost me $20 bucks to have it dismounted. $20 bucks well spent......  ------------- If ignorance is bliss, than happy days are here again. |
Posted By: Joe(TX)
Date Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 6:05pm
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I agree with Eldon on the screw type bead breaker. It works where other methods fail, and is a lot safer. The professionals use a hydraulic version.y I also found that the tire lube works better than anything else. I got it from Gemplers ------------- 1970 190XT, 1973 200, 1962 D-19 Diesel, 1979 7010, 1957 WD45, 1950 WD, 1961 D17, Speed Patrol, D14, All crop 66 big bin, 180 diesel, 1970 170 diesel, FP80 forklift. Gleaner A |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2016 at 5:31pm
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I just had the time to see if the tire machine at work would pop the beads and am happy to say it popped them loose no problem. I guess now I need a couple irons to get the tire off the rim. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2016 at 1:17pm
| vegetable oil is my tire lube...kinda messy but no worse than the goop at the tire store |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 19 Nov 2016 at 9:10pm
| Are you all kidding everyone. I was 22 years in the farm tire business you guys are doing this the HARD way. Do not use atf or grease on tubes, beads. Do not put gas on the beads it AIN`T going to help, it too is a petroleum product and will eventually cause rubber deteriation. Buy a jug of rubber lube from NAPA. It isnt the slickest rubber lube but it is usually in stock. It is far slicker than dish soap. If you are buying new tubes, only buy the HEAVY DUTY RADIAL tubes. They are the only tubes that are any good. |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 4:32am
| I agree, I wanna see a vid of Eldon werking! |
Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 20 Nov 2016 at 8:26am
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Had an old-timer teach me how to do truck tires years ago. Made his own lube, bottle of Dawn dish soap and a couple capfulls of floor wax. Was slimey as snot, but you could almost throw the tire on the rim. As for split rims, if you don't have a cage, lay the rim on the ground with the ring facing down. That way if it does pop of when airing up it may lift the tire off the ground a few inches, but at least it doesn't send the ring flying up a take your head off. Not a bad idea to wrap a heavy log chain around it also. The way we did it was a 2 man operation. Need a tire Chuck that clamps on. One guy kinks the hose while the other guy seats the bead. When the bead seats, release the hose. ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |
Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 21 Nov 2016 at 12:59pm
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Ever use Frey Lube? It's kind of like stiff grease and will seal tires to rusty wheels. The Goodyear store I worked at years ago had us use it on all aluminum wheels so they didn't corrode and cause a bead leak. ------------- "Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the government take care of him better take a closer look at the American Indian." Henry Ford |
Posted By: daddy2kids
Date Posted: 16 Feb 2017 at 10:28pm
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Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 6:25am
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Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 3:17pm
I have stood them up against a steel post at the factory and broke the beads with the forks on the fork truck. The 24" I have laid on the forks and used the 50 ton hydraulic press. Larger than 24" will not fit far enough back in the press. Another way!   |
Posted By: DiyDave
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 5:55pm
That little screw tool is the cats meow. Hadda set of 14.9 X 26's on a JD 430 industrial, that my tire guy gave up on, I bought that tool, when Gemplers had it fer about $150. One of the best things I ever bought.
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Posted By: truckerfarmer
Date Posted: 17 Feb 2017 at 9:32pm
You said something about tires? I didn't notice, was there a tire in that video? ------------- Looking at the past to see the future. '53 WD, '53 WD45, WD snap coupler field cultivator, #53 plow,'53 HD5B dozer Duct tape.... Can't fix stupidity. But will muffle the sound of it! |