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Topic: need hp
Posted By: Bled Orange
Subject: need hp
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 2:55am
ok wanting soom help want to build my d17 for our club . its a 7000lb class no turbo no speed limit no rpm limit 477 cub.limit.need 100hp or more.some help with motor or is their some combie motor that will work. if you can help with someone who builds motors here in ky or some close to ky all help will be great thanks
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CA, D14, D17, D17VI, 180, 185, IH 140 and one damn deere
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Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 9:04am
If a d19 is old enough for the class find a gas one and dump the buda put a 301 in 477 with a 301 is easy 477 from a 226 is expensive to do
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 11:31am
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A 301 bored and stroked to 477 ??......
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 1:55pm
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That would calculate to 4 1/2" bore and a 5 inch stroke.
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Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 2:48pm
And that would be A LOT cheaper and more competitive than a 226 didn't say he had to go all the way to. 477 with the 301 still way ahead of a 226
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 4:30pm
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I have taken a 301 to 440 cubes once. Not sure about 477. I'd have to have connecting rods made for that, if there's even room to swing it.
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Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 6:42pm
Orange sorry I responded to the post just my thought
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 9:31pm
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Two things to note about this original post. #1. 7000 pounds is really too heavy for a D-17 chassis and 100 HP to be competitive. #2. If the cubic inch rule is 477, someone will eventually be there. The top of the class will probably not be a 300 cubic inch engine. This is how it will shake out over time. If this is a brand new class, my predictions here may take a while to materialize, but I assure you, in the end the largest engine that is allowed will eventually dominate. You also neglected to specify what size of rear tires that will be allowed. I see no carburetor rule, either size or quantity. The HP of this class could be all over the place from 100 to 500 depending on what creativity the competitors have.
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Posted By: Larry W.
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2016 at 2:04pm
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500+ in a 301 block on gas isnt a problem
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Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 7:02pm
Ok 226 needs 5 in bore and 6 in stroke to get there and that's going to get a expensive moto compared to a 301
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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Posted By: AaronSEIA
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2016 at 7:50pm
Do they have block rules? Stock or factory replacement kind of thing? I have learned that these classes tend to be made for one color of machine. If you cam run any block I see a bunch of red machines with 466 engines dropped in them. Or does MM have a block that big. Either way, its gonna be darn hard to make a D17 competitive. And I doubt 1/4 horse a cube is going to be near enough.
AaronSEIA
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Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 7:56am
Maybe bleed Orange could come back on and give us some better rules to try to give him a little better help
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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Posted By: CAL(KS)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 9:05am
im with the Dr. here. D17 way outclassed for these rules.
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Me -C,U,UC,WC,WD45,190XT,TL-12,145T,HD6G,HD16,HD20
Dad- WD, D17D, D19D, RT100A, 7020, 7080,7580, 2-8550's, 2-S77, HD15
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 8:49pm
thanks my mistake 410 ci one carb ag style 18.4/38 limit on tires
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CA, D14, D17, D17VI, 180, 185, IH 140 and one damn deere
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Posted By: Shawn PA
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 10:20am
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A 17 is still a far cry away. There's a big difference between a 4 cylinder and 6 cylinder.
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Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 7:39pm
procure a 2800 gas - do the mods , add 180 sheetmetal - roll the finals back a hole, now you might not end up shooting maggies ' drawers...
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Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 8:47pm
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I agree with tbran. With a 410 cube limit this is a class a properly augmented 301 gas would be very good at.
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Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 16 Oct 2016 at 9:44pm
Need more rule info is there a age limit for the tractor
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You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 2:58pm
no age limit woud love 301 gas to put in my 180 but haven't ben able to find one I would like to traid my 17 to a180gas
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CA, D14, D17, D17VI, 180, 185, IH 140 and one damn deere
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Posted By: graveyard
Date Posted: 13 Nov 2016 at 4:51pm
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Being nosy what orginization will you be puuling with. You just described the 7000 lb class with nkitpa group. Tried a D 17 in that 7000 lb this past year, just not enough frame for the class. U need a 180 or 185. who is looking for a 301? do you want gas or diesal.
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Posted By: Bled Orange
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 11:46am
I want agas to put in my 180d and yes kitpa
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CA, D14, D17, D17VI, 180, 185, IH 140 and one damn deere
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 16 Nov 2016 at 11:49am
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Find a gas cylinder head, manifold, big carb, distributer and camshaft and cut 1/4" off the tops of your diesel pistons.
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Posted By: graveyard
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 6:09pm
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I pulled my d 17 there this past year. Everyone is correct. Tractor just not big enough. and to get the hp needed hard to get there.
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Posted By: Larry W.
Date Posted: 17 Nov 2016 at 7:31pm
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Build a 301 gas, forget a 301 NA diesel.
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Posted By: KevinON
Date Posted: 18 Nov 2016 at 7:20am
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Our club just opened up the year to 1972. Gonna build a 180 gasser for 5750lb 8mph.
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