185 rear wheel weights
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Topic: 185 rear wheel weights
Posted By: ChrisS
Subject: 185 rear wheel weights
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 3:37pm
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Anybody have any pictures they could post of the factory correct rear wheel weights for a 185 with 28" spin out wheels. Do they have a part # or casting # that is cast into them? Are there different diameter weights depending on wheel diameter or is it a one size fits all 185's? Also what do they weigh and how many can you put on or should put on. Thanx, Chris |
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Posted By: Dans 7080
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 3:47pm
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If you look in the knowledge based section there is a list. Am4483-1 is the correct weight. Takes 4 per wheel ------------- When someone tells you Nothings Impossible, Tell them to slam a revolving door |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 11:30pm
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30" and 38" wheels take a one piece weight. http://s29.photobucket.com/user/ejons/media/001_zps0c1fc90a.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Butch(OH)
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 5:50am
Not sure in this case? but sometimes it makes a difference if early or late. This is our early 185 on 18.4-28 and what I believe are prim and proper front and rear weights.  |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 5:58am
| Butch those pie weights are what I have ony d17. Don't know if they didn't make them for long or if people just don't sell them but I think they are pretty hard to come by. The one peice weights like the wd has are much more common and can be stacked to get the same weight. |
Posted By: scott in tenn
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 7:59am
| I have the one piece one my 185 with 28 inch rims. Scott |
Posted By: ChrisS
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 8:55am
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Eldon, are you saying that the style of weights in your picture will not fit with a 28" rim? Do have a casting # and a weight / lbs of those style of weights? I'm looking at a set of weights the seller say's came off a D17 and said they will fit a 185. They look almost identical to the casting #AM2795-10 shown in the knowledge section link. I realize these may not be factory correct but would the fit / work? Also how much weight can you put on the back of a 185 before things start to break? Thanx Chris |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 8:59am
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I don't think you can put enough steal weights to break things. The pie weights are 150 per wheel. This is nothing compared to what you get when you load the tires. Or put another way like having your two teenage boys one on each fender as you drive out to the hay field... |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 9:11am
| I have the same exact one piece rear wheel weights that Eldon has on the tractor in the pic and they are on 28" wheels and fit right. Might have a different casting number though, if there are two different sizes. Rick |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 9:21am
| 180-185 pie weights are 75 lbs each or 300 pounds per wheel. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 9:23am
Dope stupid me yes 4 per side not 2.... |
DrAllis wrote:Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 9:37am
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Going from Memory, there is a maximum weight the manual says to put on a 185 by 28", 30", and 38" tire size. My Memory says it was something like 9100, with 30" and 9400 with 28". 38" was a lot less, something like 8000. There's sticker on mine for max weight with 30" tires. I figured up my 185 weight with loaded 18.4-28 tires and front weight rack to be right a little under the weight limit. You'd have to really try to get overweight with the 28" tires like load them with fluid and stack on a bunch of weights. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 10:10am
They are probably the same, I never tried them on a 28" as I have lots of pie weights. I know the pie weights will not fit on a 30" rim, the centers have a different profile. ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 10:11am
My 185 has a decal showing max weight, guess they were serious about it! ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 10:29am
| So, the 185 came with both, the pie weights and the one piece weights then? Anyone know how much one of the one piece weights weigh? Say that real fast three times! LOL! I have two one piece weights on each side, plus a full rack of weights and also have the rear tires loaded. It was that way when I got it...28" tires. Rick |
Posted By: ChrisS
Date Posted: 07 Oct 2016 at 11:29pm
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Butch I believe you are correct. The on-line Agco parts book shows that 185's prior to S/N 12800 used 4ea pie weights per wheel and a 185 S/N 12800 and up used the one piece doughnut. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2016 at 10:45am
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checked my manual. 9400lbs 28" 9000 30" 8000 38" |
Posted By: ChrisS
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 10:42am
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Rick, Scott in Tenn, Are your 28" rims power adjust / spin outs??? Do the one piece / doughnut weights interfere or ride on the power adjust mechanism on the rims?? Chris |
Posted By: scott in tenn
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 11:02am
| My rims are power adjust and the weights do not interfere with the shift rail. HTH. Scott |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 11:07am
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Chris...My rims are power adjust and are 28". No, there is no interference with the power adjust mechanisms
at all with those one piece weights and are not in any way...in the way! LOL! The number on the weights I have is: 256687 02-WA Rick
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Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 11:10am
| So...that also tells me that the weights in Eldon's picture will also fit the 28", 30" and 38" wheels then. Mine are exactly like those. Rick |
Posted By: ChrisS
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 11:58am
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Eldon, Do you have the casting number and the weight of the single / doughnut ?? Chris |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2016 at 12:07pm
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I'd say they weigh around 140-150 lbs. each. They're heavy. Could be that there are different
numbers on them, but mine look exactly like the ones Eldon has.
Should be the same number that I posted...maybe. LOL! Rick
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Posted By: ChrisS
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 11:15am
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In the knowledge base section the picture of the pie / sectional rear weights for a 185, casting # AM4483-1 appears to have came from a 28" wheel. Will these particular weights fit other size wheels or do they only fit a 28" ??? Chris |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 3:01pm
| I think (and can't prove it, but I think) the sectional pie weights will fit both 28" and 30" wheels. Not the 38" wheels. |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 3:08pm
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They will fit (cause there is a bolt hole there), but do not conform to the wheel profile and look goofy....same with the 38" centers. ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 3:34pm
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Note the weight bolt hole pattern and the PAW wedge positions....this is why the pie weights will not work on a 30" center. If you look at Butch's pic of the pie weight on 28" wheels you will see that they are centered between the wedges. http://s29.photobucket.com/user/ejons/media/003_zps4lwdkjd7.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 3:37pm
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Will fit on 38" centers, but cover up the wheel lugs.... http://s29.photobucket.com/user/ejons/media/001_zpsecyccegc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: Eldon (WA)
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2016 at 3:46pm
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If you are not picky and don't want to cover up your lug bolts you can mount them like this, I guess....that is the way this one came on a 185 that I bought. http://s29.photobucket.com/user/ejons/media/002_zpsrg6xminj.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- ALLIS EXPRESS! This year: |
Posted By: ChrisS
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 5:38am
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Other than man-handling them on and off is there any advantage / disadvantage of the single doughnut versus the 4 pie weights?? From what I can glean off the previous posts the max weight you could achieve with the pie weights is 300# per wheel where as with the single doughnuts you could keep stacking them till you ran out of bolt length. Looks like Eldon has 3 doughnuts stacked together. At 140#-150# each that's approx. 435# per wheel. Chris |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 5:52am
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Chris you have pretty much covered it. Weight is weight. But if I wanted more weight then the pie weights will give you I would load the tires with rim guard. Did that on my d15 because it has a loader and the wheel weights for a d15 are not common here. I always thought stacking those weights on long bolts looked like a pain but I guess it is one of those things you only do once. In your original post you asked how much weight should you put on. The answer to that is as little as you can to do the job. More weight results in more ground compaction. I have a case 5240 100hp 4wd with a loader. A d17 with pie weights and a d15 with loaded tires. The d15 compacts the ground the most and the case the least. But all three are as heavy as they need to be to do the jobs they do. |
Posted By: Rick
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 6:36am
| Chris...I have two sets of the donut weights on each side of my 185, plus the tires are filled with calcium chloride and get plenty of traction, of course. The tractor was a loader tractor when I bought it and had to redo the complete front end at a cost of 1100.00 and I did all of the work! They probably needed all that weight in order to lift what they were moving around. Loaders sure are hard on the front ends! Some more than others! LOL! If the fluid wasn't in the tires, I would use three sets of the donuts and be done with it. I'm only using the tractor to brush hog with, so don't really need all that weight. When it's wetter out, I use my D19 or D17 or 170, since they're a lot lighter. Rick |
Posted By: ChrisS
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 6:40am
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Guy's, thanks for all your help and information. What started out as a question about rear wheel weights has morphed into the purchase of a set of pie weights, a set of front weights / carrier and a front grill. Thanks again. Chris |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 6:43am
| Chris sounds like my projects as in getting more expensive every time I look at them lol |