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Topic: on Ebay D17 Piston Assembly kit 283730 ,
Posted By: Fred in Pa
Subject: on Ebay D17 Piston Assembly kit 283730 ,
Date Posted: 18 Sep 2016 at 7:35am
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Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 8:21am
| Can't find the 283730 p/n in the new AGCO part books, but the piston #230577 that he lists is a 8.25:1 piston. If you might want a high compression kit better buy it. Can't hardly find them anywhere else. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 19 Sep 2016 at 9:34am
| If you want the high compression kit you better buy it I was looking for this recently and it is discontinued across the board. I ended up with an over bore kit which is due to arrive Amy day now because I had ordered just before I saw this. If you want a 4 inch sleeve kit grab any that you can find reliance own powermax now and they only make the overbore. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 7:00am
| Scary thing is no pictures of what's inside! Is everything rusty after sitting on the shelf for 40 years? |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 7:06am
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You mean 50 years Usually they are oiled and wrapped in an oily paper but 50 years is 50 years ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: NDBirdman
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 8:37am
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It's up to $404, Wonder what a good price for it would be? I could use 2 of them. ------------- 1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 8:39am
| The overbore kit is about $600 that kit was listed for $915 when it was discontinued. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 8:45am
| shhhh, $404 is already too much for it. no one else bid please. |
Posted By: NDBirdman
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 8:47am
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That kit will work for a WD45 engine, right? ------------- 1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 8:48am
| Allis Dave has a tread about putting on in his. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 8:55am
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It will fit in a 45. I just put one in mine. The question I have yet to find out is if it's really too much compression for the smaller 45 crank. I've heard stories about crank problems with M&W's and these probably put out the same or a little more power than those do. I haven't got my engine back in the tractor yet. |
Posted By: NDBirdman
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:04am
Ok, thanks. I'll not bid on it. I want to build a light hot rod down the road but no hurry, I'm putting together a stock eng. right now. ------------- 1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT |
Allis dave wrote:Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:12am
| Down the road you may not find another kit like this. Hopefully Reliance makes another run of these, but that would take a lot of orders, and not too many people want to pay an extra $300-$400 for a kit. Most people with a D17 order a D17 kit, they don't even think about trying to put in a 175 kit and there were only about 1000 175 gassers made. |
Posted By: NDBirdman
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:17am
I have a block (226) with 4 inch sleeves, just need a good hone, and 4 good flat top WD pistons. I might be ahead of the game just using the flat tops for a hot rod? All I would need is new rings. Just a thought, I'm a ways from doing this. ------------- 1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:17am
| When I ordered my kit the other day I asked what it would take to get reliance to make another run because I knew from this forum there was interested the official word I got back was when it was powermax that would have made a difference but reliance just doesn't see the demand and won't as long as the overbore kit sells well. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:24am
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What are your plans for the tractor? I might look for a set of the 7.25 pistons from a d17. That would give you more torque then the flat top pistons and still run pump gas. As far as i know they would still have to be used. I might have a couple good ones out of mine not sure I had broken rings and I know at least one piston was burnt bad. Can't remember if the ring groves on the others where damaged or not. I know two of my sleeves where junk. From what I read the 8.25 will require the high octane fuel you get at the pump or it will diesel. My 160 gas motor is like that. |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:24am
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If you're wanting a real hot rod, you'll get more with a 226 and WD flat tops than the 175 pistons. Me, I was still looking for something to farm with too. Too bad to hear about Reliance. I know they could sell the kits and make some money, but I suppose they figure they can sell the 7.25 kit quicker and easier. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:36am
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So you bid $500 and get the bargain of a lifetime. Who's going to stand behind this if something isn't right? |
Posted By: NDBirdman
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:40am
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The one I'm building right now I want to be close to stock. It will be used for hay'n, raking, small baling, yard work, etc. The next one I'm doing I want to be competitive in stock appearing pulls some day. I have an over-bore (4 1/8) sleeve/piston kit for it. I just might pull the sleeves from the other block, get them checked/honed and use them with the 4 inch pistons. Or just use the other block and leave the sleeves in. Actually, that sounds like a better idea, I think I'll do that and save the other block for the puller. ------------- 1955 WD45 S#205467, 190XT #6652 DXT |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 9:48am
| be careful switching used sleeves and pistons. If there's any ridge in the sleeve, you can't have a ring from a different piston meeting or going past that ridge. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 11:01am
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Powermax calls their 8.25 kit "LP / Hi-Octane".I know the 8.25 kit is (was) only available in 4" and the 7.25 kit is 4.125". I'm wondering how much the 7.25 kit (that is available for ~$400) would dyno less with the added cubic inches. There is also a little less stress on the crankshaft, rods and bearings with a little less compression. I was the original bidder ($399) on this, but with all the variables; age thing, no warranty, rust/corrosion possibility and we aren't even sure someone hasn't carefully opened it up, robbed pieces and the kit isn't all there. (There's an old saying about buying a pig in a poke... - I like to be able to look at what I'm buying!) I guess I'm out. I was willing to take a chance ~$400, but I'm not that much of a gambler. It's up to $430 now and you know it will go crazy the last minute! I'll buy the 7.25 kit, have a little less power and hold onto my $$$! |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 11:13am
| zero feedback seller... be carefull. |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 1:54pm
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$542.00 ending bid ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 2:05pm
| So who won was it someone here? |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 2:08pm
| Not me, probably should have. Seller sais he would accept returns for 14 days. Hate to open the box and see worthless sleeves. Maybe if I had a tractor for them, but I don't. Just a someday hope. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 2:14pm
| Well Dave I am in the same boat. Not buying anything I don't have to have right now. Probably regret it someday there is a d17 I think I could get for a decent deal right now but I have to let it sit and hope it doesn't go anywhere. I have one gas d17 and I really need to focus on a diesel for next tractor. The diesel of my friends I have used this summer while my d17 is getting a motor job has saved me a ton in fuel. Something I keep thinking about how to trim the fuel costs and maybe make a little money for all my labor. It is really hard to make any money with these old tractors and a small farm. Right now if it just pays the bills it would be progress. |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 2:34pm
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I bought them. WTH, I had a limit, and the kit is worth a shot for the money. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 2:38pm
| Good job cotton, let us know how it looks. Hopefully everything's good inside. messaged me that he would accept returns. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 2:39pm
| Cool glad to know someone who will value it was the winner. |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 2:46pm
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Considering the 160 kit cost for my 15, it was cheap enough. Box is supposedly unopened and in good shape. My mechanic talked me into buying it....nothing ventured, nothing gained. We'll see I guess. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: 79fordblake
Date Posted: 20 Sep 2016 at 5:46pm
| If I had the extra money I would buy all those kits and hoard them for myself!! Lol. I bought a NOS Agco D17 7.25:1 kit awhile back. Can't wait to get my new WD45 engine together!! |
Posted By: Allis dave
Date Posted: 21 Sep 2016 at 7:10am
| If I had extra money I'll call up Reliance and order 10 kits and see if that'd be enough for them to make a run |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 2:40pm
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The kit arrived. Only catch is the rings got broke during shipment. Seller insured it, so hopefully usps takes care of the reimbursement for rings. Pistons and sleeves look awesome. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 14 Oct 2016 at 11:46pm
| UPS broke the rings for my 8070 a few years back the real problem was the dipstick that packaged parts.Rings go in the liners for shipping not between the liners. |
Posted By: cottonpatch
Date Posted: 15 Oct 2016 at 12:28pm
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that's the case with this deal. This was a 50 year old box that had never been opened, and was placed in another box and just shipped. Liners moving busted half the compression rings and ruined half the oil rings. I'm not in a hurry, so stuff happens. Just the misery of dealing with usps. ------------- '52 CA, '61 D10 II, ‘61 D15, '66 D15II, '63 D17D III, ‘69 170, '73 185 Crop Hustler, '79 185, '79 7000, '77 7040 |