Free HD 7
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Category: Allis Chalmers
Forum Name: Construction and other equipment
Forum Description: everything else with orange (or yellow) paint
URL: https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=127333
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Topic: Free HD 7
Posted By: JohnCO
Subject: Free HD 7
Date Posted: 16 Aug 2016 at 12:53pm
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Saw this on Craigslist. http://denver.craigslist.org/zip/5735274820.html ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
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Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 12:43am
| I think you need it John! |
Posted By: shameless (ne)
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 12:51am
| what category is it in? |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 1:19am
Your mean John..., you couldn't find it within a couple hundred miles of my home could you. |
and it was in my price range too.
Posted By: Walker
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 2:06am
| Wonder just what his idea of a difficult spot is? |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 7:54am
| I have one very similar to that, also located in a very difficult place. Cept the rear end housing is busted all to he!! on the one I have. It is closer to you, though, JC. Come and get it! Darrel |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 9:26am
| That would be quite a project wouldn't it? And heavy too. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 9:53am
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HD7W was only 14,000# or so, then add on the dozer and attachments. HD10W weight was about 21,000... now if it were an HD10, 28,000. A good stout one ton and a 20,000# gooseneck would possibly do the hauling job for the HD7, anything bigger... need a bigger truck. LOL Darrel,Going out to Eagle Butte was like 10 hours one way, and your a bit farther. Do you have some pics you can send me?  Think I is gettin goofie, I try to pick up stuff that moves on its own, an yours is basically dead anchor. ...LOL------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 11:21am
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Dale, I need another project like I need another hole in my head! ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 4:00pm
| Been thru Granby on the scooter, have a HD7G and could always use a parts machine, just is too far out to warrant. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 17 Aug 2016 at 11:58pm
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Part of the problem of getting it is once it's on a trailer, you have three choices of which road to take but they all require going over a pass of at least 10,000 feet. Better have a Jake brake or really good gears and brakes!
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 19 Aug 2016 at 5:04am
| Coming out of Granby on old 40 would be fun, not too scary and the old 24,000 pound machine would be a little load for many of today's trucks. Down hill into Denver I-70 isn't bad, some steep points but still not bad. |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 17 Oct 2016 at 5:54pm
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No worries gentlemen OB will rescue the old girl, I just hope the undercarriage is worth the work! ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 12:51am
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I got a message on my phone today, wondered if it was you Anthony, as there was no name with it. I found the machine on Google Earth, doesn't look all that hard to get out if it will start. Will have to go up a hill then down a driveway, fairly straight, to the highway. I'm busy driving a hay wagon on weekends until Halloween, so guess I'll pass on going to look at it. Still have some hay to do this week too.
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 7:15am
| Glad to hear that you are rescuing it orange blood. Darrel |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 8:33am
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Yeah I looked it up on Google Earth also. Best I can see, is it is a half day job if I hire a wrecker or an excavation company to bring up a Cat. I spoke to the owner, it doesn't move. Going up today to access the situation, and formulate a plan. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: LeonR2013
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 12:58pm
| Oh my, don't take 70. Run the canyon. If it's good enough to run beer on, it's good enough to run old iron on. Used to run kitty litter to G.J. around Lookout that way. While crooked it sure was easier on the old truck. |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 18 Oct 2016 at 1:11pm
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Plans are good! Will be interested in seeing how it works out. I don't know anyone up there with a cat, sorry. Post pic's if you can. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2016 at 5:34pm
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Orange, have a report yet? The trouble with taking highway 6 (the canyon) is all the crazy drivers going and coming from Blackhawk and Central City casinos. Also rock slides on that road. Any more, I just gear down and take 70 to the bottom. ------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 19 Oct 2016 at 9:42pm
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Well, this will be fun!!! The crawler is definitely down in a hole so to speak!  There is a shelf of land this gentlemen calls his lot. The road above is about 25 feet up a 45 degree bank, the flat area, and then about a straight drop off down to the lower road some 30 feet. houses on both ends. I think what happened, is one of two things, the machine was taken down the upper embankment, and then couldn't get out under it's own power (Weak Torque Converter) or it was used to dig the foundation of one of the houses, and somebody parked it there thinking it could be driven up the embankment, or some other variant. It appears to be an "A" model, the machine is very straight, but the rails are shot, the pins are shot. Does anyone have a picture of the rear sprockets close to new. The sprockets look pretty good, but I don't have a good picture of a rear sprocket to see if this one is worn or not. Tops of the teeth are still flat, at least a 1/4" or more, so not sure what they have to start with. It appears to run, as someone played with it recently, it has been moved by means of tilting the bucket, digging in and pushing back, so the hydros work. The turbo is gone, and bypassed, the radiator grill was taken recent;y, as was the operators floor plate, bolts haven't rusted yet. It will be fun digging it out. I found a guy who is considering what he will charge to take his large excavator and pull it up the hill, I am also thinking I will go back up for a weekend and tinker on it, to see what i can make happen. Maybe with some luck, changing filters, and replacing oil, I can make the old girl come to life. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 20 Oct 2016 at 1:06pm
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Well, it could be worse. Hopefully filters and oil will get it up the hill. On GE it's hard to see contours but I assumed the hill was pretty steep. A HS classmate had a backhoe in the area but he passed away a year or so ago and i don't know what became of the machine. You needed a project to keep you from getting bored, Anthony, and here is one that saves an AC, can't get much better then that!
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 6:31am
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General gear should have pieces to reset a turbo as they had at least two 7G's in the yard. Sprockets do not sound bad, mine has less than 3/16 tooth at the points and are still in spec. If the rails are that shot then could be an issue. AC sized Rails are not available where used Cat 6.906 rails from a 953 will work but shoes will need be cut down for side clearance and at least one link removed for adjustable range.
Base hydraulics for bucket are run from the tank aside the operator and a crankshaft front mounted pump, has nothing to do with trans or steering systems.
Base weight of a 7G is 24,000.
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Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 6:41am
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Where in that area of Grand Lake is it? We stopped at the lake park overlook back in 2012 when traveling thru on motorcycles as we headed for the Nat'l Park into Estes.
Had a similar instance at Lake Ozark MO. Used excavator really cheap, guy "just wanted gone".
As I drove up could see boom but was sitting between two buildings against a cut rock bluff less than 30 feet to road. He thought a person could clean a shallow cut slope to drive it out but the calculated angle was 60 degrees in more or less solid rock and in no way would work. Far as I know the machine is a yard ornament as no one will make any attempts to get it out.
Would have to be disassembled to remove by crane. Why is it someone does something dumb and blocks a machine where they cannot remove it they think there is someone that can on the cheap?
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Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 2:59pm
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It is about half a mile south of the Main Grand Lake entrance of US34. Not visible from the highway, since it sits on a shelf above the highway. I am thinking the rear end has been replaced, because the serial number on the rear is 4 digits and doesn't match the other two serial plates on the machine. The other plates I think were dealer applied, one on the left cylinder mast as you climb on, and the other on the face of the left side of the seat arm rest. It appears to be a very late original 7G model, right before the B. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: Herb(GA)
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 3:42pm
| If further pilferage is a concern, is contacting the sheriff for an occasional driveby of any benefit? Wish you were close by as I would like to monitor your project. Herb(GA) |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 7:06pm
| I brought up GE, and dropped to street view where it is visible pointed roughly NE along the highway with a cabin basically at the back of the fuel tank? If that is it, it will be a bugger to get out. Most likely the cabin builder set it there not realizing what he had done as to blocking it in. I rode right past t in 2012, watching road and lake which was horribly low then. |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 10:44pm
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Since I don't "own" it yet, and since I am certain the last guy who attempted to get it out now has the pieces, I doubt anything can be done. You got it DMiller, it now faces mostly East, and they got it turned so it could be pulled up the hill but that is as far as they got. ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: michale34
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 11:02pm
| there was a car i really wanted one time a 1957 plymouth it was cheap but it was parked next to a house the lady had an addition added on and on the other end was a big oak tree so unless someone spent thousands on getting the tree taken down and stump ground it was there as far as i know its still there probably rent on the cabin was worth more to the owner than the loader is to him |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 21 Oct 2016 at 11:44pm
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Well, I don't know, but it sure don't look to bad to go down hill, except
ye have to make sure you don't hit the ped in the ditch... or hook the road
or make tracks in the bank- DOT might not like ye... If you can walk her north east , it seams there is a shallower place to come down to the road...about th third or fourth place up...Maybe offer them something to drive through... ... don't know, was just some thoughts. 
------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |
Posted By: Orange Blood
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2016 at 6:46am
I looked at that option, and the picture is deceiving. That drop is about 30 feet, and about a 60 degree bank. In a machine that doesn't move under it's own power 'yet' hopefully, and one I know nothing about the brakes, onto a heavily traveled US highway with only the standard 8 foot shoulder...........I am too conservative to try that. Not to mention if I overrun the highway, on the other side is an even steeper drop with trees and and a lake. That would make for one hell of a YouTube video.  ------------- Still in use: HD7 WC C CA WD 2-WD45 WD45LP WD45D D14 3-D17 D17LP 2-D19D D19LP 190XTD 190XTLP 720 D21 220 7020 7030 7040 7045 3-7060 Projects: 3-U UC 2-G 2-B 2-C CA 7-WC RC WDLP WF D14 D21 210 7045 N7 |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2016 at 6:52am
| Brakes on these leave a lot to be desired on steep operation, I would be one to bid taking it out above. If and when running can at least drop bucket for a parking brake to re-hook if use a winch truck to assist. I would seriously look to connecting with a local HE contractors to see if can get assistance on retrieving with a winch and a excavator or another loader. If you do attempt to retrieve and have it running, the brake adjusters are under large caps to the sides of the operator on top of the rear housing toward the front of the housing. Takes a 3/4" socket to access and to adjust, tighten down then back off one full turn if memory serves. Will go to the shop and verify once I dig out the manuals(been buried awhile). |
Posted By: DMiller
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2016 at 8:14am
| Turn and one half. |
Posted By: JC-WI
Date Posted: 22 Oct 2016 at 8:47am
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There must must be a reason why they stopped the drive from going out to the other road to the south... like to steep or something? and the house is to close to the embankment to get around it too? The picture is deceiving for sure , but it does not allow a look at going north and west farther to see the steep bank going up to the drive above.  ------------- He who says there is no evil has already deceived himself The truth is the truth, sugar coated or not. Trawler II says, "Remember that." |