DA 385 Planter questions
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Topic: DA 385 Planter questions
Posted By: Johnwilson_osf
Subject: DA 385 Planter questions
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2016 at 5:24pm
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Greetings all, I have been looking at the DA 385 planter recently, and am curious if someone can educate me on the "Air Planter" system. I have read all the Pro's and Con's about these planters compared to others (on this site, and other sites). I do not want to start a pissing contest between which planter is best. I just want to know how they work, mechanically. I have a simple plate planter (AC 50 or 70 planter units on a custom tool bar), and do not understand what the air does, even when it still has plates, etc. Thanks for your help in advance. John ------------- Allis Express: Eastern PA on Rt 80 8050, 8010, 6080, 190, D14, DA 6035, AA 6690, 5650, Gleaner F2 |
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Posted By: ryan(IN)
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2016 at 5:32pm
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I have no experience with the 385 but I do with White planters and they are somewhat the same. They use low air pressure to keep the seed in the plate. Its a simple metering system and is very accurate. ------------- ryan 1984 8070 FWA,1979 7060,1975 7040,1971 190,1960 D-17D,1957 D-14, 196? D-19G, 1975 5040,1971? 160,1994 R62 |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2016 at 7:43pm
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The air keeps the seed in the plates. The plates are the same as the AC air champ units. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: MACK
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2016 at 10:27pm
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They are good planters. The air keeps the seed in disc until they pass the pads where there is no air then they drop out. MACK
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Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 06 Mar 2016 at 10:29pm
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Best openers on the market to this day. Staggered front disc openers, and closing discs on the gauge wheels following the seed tube. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Johnwilson_osf
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 6:47am
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So with these planters, there is no changing the seed plate between varieties of corn? I am used to my plate planters, where I check each variety before I plant it to make sure I have the proper plate in it. Just trying to figure out the operational details. Thanks, John ------------- Allis Express: Eastern PA on Rt 80 8050, 8010, 6080, 190, D14, DA 6035, AA 6690, 5650, Gleaner F2 |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 7:03am
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There are different sized plates . Corn has about 5 sizes I think. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 11:15am
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Do your self a favor buy a Deere 7000 or newer. I custom sidedress for a guy with 385 our Deeres do a lot better job. Planting is the most important thing you do. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 12:04pm
| While a Deere 7000 is known for pretty nice spacing in corn, they are the absolute WORST soybean planter that was ever built. If a 385 planter is missing the rubber flap at the bottom of the seed tube, that will affect seed space in corn. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 12:08pm
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The problem is the seed corn isn't graded like it use to be. If you could still get large rounds, and have the correct plate, a 385 will drop just as good as the Deere . But you don't get graded corn anymore, they make more money that way. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 1:18pm
Drop in Kinze brush meters picket fence stand on bean then also. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
DrAllis wrote:Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 4:21pm
| And that would be true, but it took Kinze to make a bean planter out of a Deere. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 5:43pm
| The air on the Deutz planter does what the vacuum does on a deere, but much simpler, and on the opposite side of the seed plate. In my Deutz 385 I use a seed plate called small/medium corn, and it works for 90 percent of everything that I do. I like my 385 Deutz. Darrel |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 8:31pm
I'm not arguing that but you cann't put Kinze meters in a 385. One thing I haven't heard mentioned yet is you can buy Deere parts at Shoup and Sloan and many others. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 8:51pm
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The 385 has the best depth control, seed covering ability, and seed soil contact - period. The finger pick is more accurate in corn - with the electric blowers , however if one wants to take a good seed system and make it as good anything except the current precision units, install an air system from a White planter that is adjustable as to pressure, install a set of short seed pads, add a tickler brush and presto - it don't get no better - again, period. The trifecta is to find some of the aluminum bottoms that used the old 78 series pad and seal much better. However the plastic works, just not as long life as to pads. The short pads lets one run a tad more air to prevent skips and the tickler will knock off the doubles in the extra space. The cotton plate will picket fence beans as well with the extra pressure it can be sped up with no skips and the fewer pockets give better drop cycles. Always use a small amount of talc or graphite as well to prevent pad wear. Never use a liquid seed treatment in the box. . ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 8:55pm
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also the last Landoll units had staggered openers alternated to prevent side crawl on slopes. And, the alignment of the drive to the seed hopper is very important to prevent the drive from being torqued over and causing the plate to loose the seal. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 9:01pm
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Shoup has some 385 DA parts. I have had 2 of them, and I got parts from Shoup. I never had a problem with them dropping well, but I replaced the pads every year. I know a lot of folks like Kinze, but the only thing I like about the money pits is the was they transport. I have had two, one new, one used. Will not have another one. They leave too many skips, and have too many doubles. When I bought the new one, I bought a new 8531 White at the same time. AL WAS a better stand with the White, and double crop beans behind the Kinze were a joke. The White would do twice the job of planting in the straw. And yes, both had row cleaners, nt coulters, seed firmers, star closing wheels and drag chains, and heavy duty dp springs. This is just my experience in my type ground. I know some folks would have nothing else. Another Kinze problem around here is in dry hard ground, they have to have a LOT of weights added to make them go in the ground. The White 8500 planter was never even ran in the fourth (out of 4) dp setting. Just my preference, but that is why they make several brands, so everyone can find what they like. LOL. And IG is exactly right about the seed grading. It is very crappy, and seems to get worse every year. |
Posted By: darrel in ND
Date Posted: 07 Mar 2016 at 9:36pm
| Well put tbran. Darrel |