433t engine
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Topic: 433t engine
Posted By: lowell
Subject: 433t engine
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:13pm
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looking to put one in a rat rod so do these engine have much problems ???? I was told they have balance shafts do they thanks for the help trying do some thing that some one else don't have there is a lot of Cummins in them |
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Posted By: wekracer
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:26pm
| The 433 is a very durable engine. It does not have a lot of low end torque but has tones of reserve power at high idle. Don't know how it would do in a rat rod but should be cool. |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:32pm
| it will be in a model a Tudor sedan that only weight about 2200 pounds |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:36pm
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we donated one to a college and they put one in a chev corvett and set a speed record for biofueled powered class for a while. They do have a balancer. If you are going to do a lot of crusin' and limit the rpm to 2500-2600 leave it in - otherwise remove it as it turns 2X the crank speed and could very well exit the oil pan. You can live with the vibration. Put a lighter flywheel on for acceleration. Turn up the pump, big injectors - AC or Bosch, run the lower compression early pistons , add an air to air intercooler plus the liquid with a separate cooler for the water and add water, alcohol, propane injection, carry a bucket to pick up spewed parts and have a unique rat rod. You could use the orange tractor theme or the Purple Power motif from the BIG AL truck engine - Lil Al ? ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: DanD
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:40pm
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A 433 engine does have a balancer to help cancel the inherent vibration in all 4 cylinder 4 cycle inline engines. |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 23 Jan 2016 at 9:45pm
| I would try to run it about 1900 to 2100 they make good mounts for the Cummins the 4bt will drive you right out a truck with out them the motor I found is a 1979 so one said to run a 301 turbo on it and put more fuel to it |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 12:36pm
| what rpm should they run at I'm going to try some were around my place to take the pump to have them redo the gov on it and set it up higher if I can other wise I will send it out to some one |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 12:44pm
| In a 6080 ,the rpm,s have to be above 1800 to get anything out of it, just my experience |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 1:03pm
| but are you pulling any thing your tractor weight more them my rat rod I have be pushing more wind just trying to get thing so I can start putting together thanks for your guys help |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 1:33pm
| Nope just the tractor weight, 9,000 lbs; |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 1:42pm
| my car is about 2200 |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 2:29pm
| Just my opinion, but wouldn't put much hope in it |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 2:44pm
| ok just trying to get it shorted out before I buy to may parts I would think 1900 to 2100 should be ok |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 3:28pm
| Somewhere around here I have an article where someone took a NEW 1979 ford truck to an Allis dealer, pulled the 400 out of it and dropped a 433 in its place. Said it pulled just as good and got extremely good milage. |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 3:31pm
That's Sam in Georgia on here. He was an old AC block man I believe. Put the 433 in, and a slide in camper, and took a trip to California and back and got like 25 mpg. ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
grinder220 wrote:Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 3:42pm
| there one in a 1972 chevy pickup on a another form I joined it but have to wait un tell they let me post http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/forums/general-diesel-discussion-92/tryin-put-tractor-diesel-truck-174962/ |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 4:55pm
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you do not have to do anything but back out the high idle stop to go to 2800-2900... 1600-2500 is normal...you are probably not gonna run much more than that sasfely. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 6:15pm
| ok thanks I have to have the pump worked on I need to change the governor on it and set it up higher |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 7:52pm
| If you are pulling 1 out of a dozer, the later ones had heaver bottom ends than the earlier 1's. I cannot give you a serial number break or date when this was done. |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 9:44pm
| the one I found came out of a 1979 f2 |
Posted By: DaveKamp
Date Posted: 24 Jan 2016 at 11:46pm
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Find about an '82 Ford 1/2t 2wd pickup that has came originally with 300 six with SROD transmission and 215/70 tires. the rearend will be a 9" with 2.54:1 drive ratio... run taller tires... say... 33" diameter or so, but narrow tread, and it'll hustle down the road with minimal resistance and LOW crankshaft RPM. I'd be most worried about the A's frame... they were well-employed to contain the substantially-weaker 40hp flathead... bolting an oil-burner to that frame will be certainly destined to find any flaws fast... You are changing the front suspension, brakes, and steering, yes? ------------- Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest. |
Posted By: tbran
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 2:14pm
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unless it has been changed, that is an AC injector, low compression engine. Engine will be orange in color. ------------- When told "it's not the money,it's the principle", remember, it's always the money.. |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 5:11pm
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Here some internet post about the AC 433 diesel swaps into pickups. This link is about a new 1979 F250 that got an AC 433I swap at AC dealership. The guy talks about its mileage going from 6-7 to 20.
http://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=16410" rel="nofollow - http://www.farmshow.com/a_article.php?aid=16410 This link is from this AC forum site. Lots of reading on it & some pictures. http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33041&title=allis-chalmers-engine-in-pickup-jeep" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=33041&title=allis-chalmers-engine-in-pickup-jeep This is a site for Cummins 4bt swap information. Someone is talking about gleaner f2 433I swap. http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?6152-allis-chalmers-diesel" rel="nofollow - http://www.4btswaps.com/forum/showthread.php?6152-allis-chalmers-diesel |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 7:30pm
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the one I found is orange the frame I have is a 1 1/2 model a frame it is 2 incher taller then the cars or pickups for a transmission I'm going with a five speed out of a pickup have a overdrive z542 |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 8:15pm
  couple pic one of my car and one of the engine |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 8:34pm
| That is a lot newer engine than I have delt with. Should be the heaver bottom end. I have attended the Good Guys car show in Des Moines, every now and then you see one with a diesel. Good luck, don't get discouraged and give up on it. Please post pictures of your progress. |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 8:49pm
| he said it was a 1979 it is 6 hours away one way it will take some time to get together |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:11pm
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Someone has been trying to sell a 433 on the Denver Craigslist for nearly a year. Think they are down to $1800. Look under Allis.
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Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:15pm
| Found this one for 1500.00 |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 25 Jan 2016 at 10:16pm
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Just looked, it's no longer listed.
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Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 8:36am
| thanks for trying to help out |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 7:24pm
| cant find much about them I would like to know how long they are and how heavy they are anybody has a site that tell you thanks |
Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 9:19pm
Well now that I have the right thread.  Sounds like a fun project! I've got a AC 2900T from a Gleaner combine I would love to refit into my spare 99 Ford F250 super duty four door 4WD that has a blown up V10 in it.
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Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2016 at 9:26pm
| trying to find more about the engine not much on the internet about them |
Posted By: Tcmtech
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 12:08am
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From what I can find they were a 4 cylinder 3.3l turbo engine with roughly 14:1 compression and good for around 75 HP at 2400 RPM give or take. I would suspect that some of the guys on this forum with a bit of tinkering could probably get one to 100+ HP at 3000 RPM with only minor changes and still have it live for years as a daily driver engine.
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Posted By: Sam T-Ga
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 9:51am
| I put a 433I from F2 combine in a 72 Chevy c10. Used a F2 flywheel, Ford pressure plate will bolt to it. Used a Ford 4 speed overdrive tranny from F150. Truck already had a 4 flue radiator, so I ran with no fan. 3rd gear, direct it will run 58-60mph at 2450 eng. rpm In July 1984 I drove to California and back with 10ft. cab over camper, had to run 3rd gear avg. 15.8 mpg Still have truck I need to do body work on it. |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 10:06am
| so how heavy is the motor and long |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 5:27pm
if you don't have the engine I would try to find one out of a 6080 most were close to 100hp and they were inter cooled as well, they also had counter balancers on the crank to absorb the 4 cylinder shake next look at the trans you may want t use an automatic maybe a 6spd Allison with double od reason for this is the thrust bearing is week in the 433 also the loading and unloading of the crank when you shift is hard on the crank that was what killed the purple allis motors in trucks if the had the automatics that back then we might still have allis truck  ps what dimensions do you need and as far as weight I would say same as a sbc as a guess hope that helps
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Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 5:33pm
| how long they are |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 5:42pm
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ok will measure tommoro
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Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 6:19pm
| can you put the balancer in the other one |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 7:11pm
| Ive never heard of the BIG Al purple engine having the same problems of the 200 ci in a 6080,,heard of the crank breaking off at the balancer tho , a lot! |
Posted By: ACjack
Date Posted: 27 Jan 2016 at 7:18pm
The loading and unloading of the crank when you shift isn't what killed the Big Al truck engine. There were several other issues that all contributed to the death of the Big Al truck engine.
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Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 7:54pm
| Lowell, I have a 433I sitting on a rack wagon waiting to be installed into my AC 706D forklift. It came out of a gleaner F3. I'll measure it's length tomorrow (flywheel-fan?). I'm guessing it weights - 900lbs?? |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2016 at 8:08pm
| ok thanks |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 11:22am
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I do have a gleaner K2 orange 433T. No, it's not for sale. It measures 29" from rear housing(includes 1/2" Trans mount plate) to front crankshaft pulley and/or water pump pulley. Add 3" more if you leave water pump radiator fan assy. Add 2.5" more for AC gleaner flywheel. So... - 28.5" from block's rear to pulleys, - 29" from block's rear plate to pulleys, - 32" from block's rear plate to fan front. - 34.5" if you include gleaner K2 flywheel. Hope that helps. |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 01 Feb 2016 at 6:13pm
| thanks that is a lot of help I can go from there |
Posted By: AC7060IL
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 11:36am
| Lowell, How's your AC 433T project coming along? |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 10 Feb 2016 at 11:47am
| have not went and got it yet |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 06 Oct 2016 at 7:40pm
| I would update a little I found one I lost the guy number then every thing went wrong this summer every thing got put on hold and still is I had my number 2 stroke labor day weekend I had one 2 1/2 years ago I'm hoping I can still do it yet if they can help me out I been out of work for 63 days sound like I will not going back to work any more |
Posted By: Bcrichardsonusmc2004
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2017 at 11:38pm
| Is the 433 the mysterious 7000 series engine I see talked about, kinda new with AC stuff but looking to repower my hd6 crawler cause the old 344 is locked up pretty tight?? |
Posted By: DSeries4
Date Posted: 10 Jul 2017 at 5:32pm
No, completely different engine. Way too small for an HD6. ------------- '49 G, '54 WD45, '55 CA, '56 WD45D, '57 WD45, '58 D14, '59 D14, '60 D14, '63 D15D, '66 D15II, '66 D21II, '67 D17IV, '67 D17IVD, '67 190XTD, '73 620, '76 185, '77 175, '84 8030, '85 6080 |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 10:41am
| Well still have not done anything I had couple brain surgery trying to stop me from having strokes still thing about trying to do something but we will Se how it goes just been taking it easy got to watch what km doing can't hit my head still have not bought motor yet |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 2:33pm
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I lost track of this thread a while back. Hope you are able to get back at it and I will pray for success with your surgeries.What part of Minnesota are you from? I'm a Scandahoovian from near Rochester. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2017 at 2:44pm
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I had to move into apartment for me and my wife Surgery went OK I guess but I can't go back to work still trying to find a engine that I can a ford End up moving to parkers Prairie minn no place to work on anything I kind of lost this thread getting bored sitting around doing nothing trying to get back were maybe I be able to do something don't take your life for grant you will never know what can happen |
Posted By: lowell
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2017 at 8:35pm
| why are these motor so hard to find I found couple they want 2000.00 for one |
Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 24 Dec 2017 at 8:52pm
| 433-I is probably easier to find and they are worth $2K. They are a good engine. |
Posted By: JoeO(CMO)
Date Posted: 26 Dec 2017 at 7:28pm
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I have a D2200 out of a 653 Dozer...Wondering if it could handle a Turbo? ------------- |