the best seed corn for the money
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Topic: the best seed corn for the money
Posted By: grinder220
Subject: the best seed corn for the money
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 5:20pm
| Just curious what you all think is the best brand and number on the market for corn on corn. I've seen some real impressive yields and test weights the last couple years with pioneer, dekalb, krugers and steyer on different farms around here. Been hearing good things about Becks also. |
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Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 5:41pm
| I will use either Agrigold 6499, Wyffles 7888 or Might cheap out on some $140 Federal from rural king. haven't decided yet. |
Posted By: ToddnwIl
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 5:44pm
| This year was a great year on our farm. We plant a little Dekalb a little wyffels and a little dairyland. I am a seed rep. For wyffels hybrids so I am kind of bias towards the wyffels. The Dekalb and wyffels yielded about the same on average and the dairyland didnt fair out so well this year. |
Posted By: bakwoodsfarm
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 5:44pm
| Pioneer P1197 works good for me |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 5:49pm
| What wyffles number did you use todd? |
Posted By: ToddnwIl
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 6:22pm
| We had several different numbers that we went with. W7888 was by far our best yielding. The only down gall is it is a 114 day maturity corn. This year was a perfect year for that. We also had W3998 yield very well. That's a 105 day maturity. |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 8:51pm
| How are the yields and test weights? Price per bag? I been using pioneer and have had great TW and dry down but would like to find something cheaper. I don't know what the market will be next fall and don't want to spend a fortune on seed if it isn't worth anything in the end. |
Posted By: zulawski87
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 9:12pm
| Around here pioneer is one of the cheapest. But seems like they went down in quality. I personally plant Peterson seeds. Love the beans and corn. |
Posted By: AC7045
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 9:45pm
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Not corn on corn, but our best was Axis 64R05, 62.3 pound tw. ------------- 8550,7060,7045,700,190XT,D15, WD45,B, M2,F3,AllCrop 60 |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 9:51pm
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Flip a coin. Monsanto and DuPont control it all. Without either of them, you don't produce seed anymore, unless your non GMO. They have a monopoly on the seed industry. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 9:54pm
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How much is a bag of seed corn these days? Range of prices? ------------- It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa, |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 10:01pm
| Last I heard (a few years ago) it was a nickel a kernel! |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 10:02pm
Depends on how many you buy. 225 to 350 a bag. Depending on what traits you get also. IG ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
allischalmerguy wrote:Posted By: KY poorboy
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 10:07pm
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Just got ours bought Monday. Here, it will range from straight RD at around 180.00 a bag to 346.00 a bag with all the traits. And all in between, just depends on what traits and treatments you want. It is ALL too high, that is for sure. We have planted 32,500 to 35,000 population for several years, but I think we will drop that back some next spring, trying to save a little on seed cost. Now those prices are from large seed companies, I feel sure you can buy seed cheaper in some other places, Rural King for example. |
Posted By: Unit3
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 10:33pm
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I miss Trelay out of Wisconsin. 6200 corn and 2445 soybeans. ------------- 2-8070FWA PS/8050PS/7080/7045PS/200/D15-II/2-WD45/WD/3-WC/UC/C |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2015 at 11:32pm
| I thinks all companies have good numbers and so-so numbers. |
Posted By: DougS
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 6:10am
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Doesn't the brand and number depend somewhat on your location and soil type? It becomes a crapshoot of sorts depending on the weather too, yes? |
Posted By: Ben (MI)
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 6:22am
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I agree with Shameless and Doug, all of them have winners and losers. It is hard to compare with someone else across the fence let alone half way across the country. I have been planting formerly private Seed Consultants for several years which is mostly Pioneer genetics but they are now owned by DuPontPioneer due to lawsuits from competitors in the recent past I believe. They are geared toward the eastern corn belt. I pay about $200 for triple stack corn and $42 for 150,000 seeds per unit beans. I don't do corn on corn so I can't recommend a number. ------------- Part time farming with a 1980 7060 and 1984 F3 hydro. |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 6:39am
$4,000 a bag?! Wow!!! No, not quite that bad yet. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 6:58am
| Becks 6175 non gmo is hard to beat...test weight is great,drys down well,..and stands in the field good... Runs about 160$ a bag |
Posted By: Lonn
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 7:11am
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I think he's off a point. List is at least $.005 per kernel for Dekalb. DeKalb 47-35 was good for me and stood well. I had Cropland 4033 that yielded just as good the last couple years but this year didn't stand as well but it wasn't too bad. Other DeKalb numbers that did real good for me are 52-62 and 50-66 but I heard those numbers are becoming susceptible to certain diseases on certain years. I planted those back in 2011 and 12 and they were great then for me. I also had a Northrup King number right next to those two DeKalb numbers and there was a night and day difference. I don't remember the number but the yield was probably at least 15 bu less. It stood really good but that was all I could say that it did good. I also tried a Mycogen number (don't remember which) that yielded maybe better than DeKalb back in 2012 but it was down so bad I could hardly tell if I was in the rows when combining. Even so and thanks to my Gleaner corn head, it had a slightly better yield than the nice straight standing DeKalb next to it. But every year is different and different years and circumstance can make or break a certain variety. Oh and for me DeKalb seems to have always had a slightly better test weight and dried down just a bit better. ------------- -- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... - Wink I am a Russian Bot |
Posted By: HD6GTOM
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 1:45pm
| a lot of the guys are having real good yelds with corn and beens from the local FS coop |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 2:09pm
| Becks also has a 100% replant guarantee on beans and corn if for any reason you dd have to replant |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 2:19pm
| I just looked up the 6175 and it looks like a great number. Does it yield good? The elevator I take my corn to just started selling Becks last year and that's what they plant also. They farm several thousand acres and said they were really happy with it. |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 3:37pm
| 6175 is excellent... I had it yiled as high as 230 in my good soil...175-190 in my poorer ground...test weight was all 59 to 63 depending on the moisture...moisture was 17 to 13...it stands like a champ in the field as well... Where are you located at exactly |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 3:41pm
| I live in central Indiana and the Becks family farm and research facility is north of us about 60 miles...they are a tremendous company...we plant 100% Becks corn and soybeans...they are as helpful of a seed company we have ever dealt with...we have been 100% Becks for 12 years now and I wouldn't consider using any other seed company after being with Becks |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 4:59pm
| I'm in east central Iowa, the majority of the ground here is hilly clay. Yields are usually between 150 to 210 bu. on the better ground. I'm also still on wide rows @ 36 inches. |
Posted By: Cernunnos
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 5:21pm
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Sorry to ask the novice question, but what does "corn on corn" mean? ------------- 1951 CA, 1952 CA with cultivator, 20 Series 8' disc harrow, 2 bottom pick-up plow, forage blower, 2-row rear mounted drill corn planter, Allcrop grain drill, No. 80T sickle mower, MN No. 130 barge box |
Posted By: Dmpaul89
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 5:34pm
| Continuous corn. Not a corn/soy or corn/wheat/soy rotation |
Posted By: Jwmac7060
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 6:23pm
| Try the 6175 Becks you won't be disappointed...I plant ours at about 28000...sounds like your ground is comparable to ours |
Posted By: ILGLEANER
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 7:02pm
It means keep planting corn on the same field so you can flood the market and corn prices will go down !!!!! It's worked real well so far for everyone !!!!!! ------------- Education doesn't make you smart, it makes you educated. |
Posted By: Tracy Martin TN
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 7:11pm
John, they will wise up, or fold up. One or the other. ------------- No greater gift than healthy grandkids! |
Posted By: SteveM C/IL
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 9:48pm
Tracy for every one that folds there's another to fill his shoes.They ain't smart enough to look down the road and/or see the big picture. |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 6:11pm
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I really like LG Seeds 2549. Been planting it for a few years now, beat the carp out of the dekalb I used to plant. Haven't done corn on corn though. Also I plant conventional corn because chemicals and seed are cheaper ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 6:51pm
| Where I work we sell LG seeds, I've planted LG beans and had good luck but never tried the corn. I've been able to get pioneer for around $100 less per bag than LG. Last year a local BTO planted all LG corn and it wouldn't dry down and had really low test weight,51 to 54 lbs. Says he lost over $40K on that. That made my mind up to stay away from it. We also deal in Mycogen and thats what he went to this year with much better results. Mycogen was still around $10 more per bag then pioneer. |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 7:17pm
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I heard 2620 doesn't dry well. Planted Pioneer beans one year and they did decent. ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 7:28pm
| I don't know what number he planted but we do sell alot of 2549. I just refuse to pay $350-$365 for LG when I can get Pioneer for $270. Me and another guy from work go together with his brother on seed orders so there's a pretty good discount on the price. Still like to find something cheaper. I'm definitely going to look into Becks and see what they have to offer. |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 7:37pm
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My seed guy told me this will be the last year for 2549. I'm paying $192 a bag now before early pay. I shelled some Becks corn for my neighbor this fall and it did 165 BPA this year ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: grinder220
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 7:44pm
| Wow that's a big price difference from what our seed rep sells them for. Is there really that much price difference from location to location? |
Posted By: ToddnwIl
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 7:59pm
| From getting out n selln this fall it seems like this year is the biggest year for big deals. If it was me I'd try n make sure i had ever piece of technology in the bag I could get. Not saying that you guys have a root worm problem or corn Boer problem but if you do by the time you realize it it's to late. I'd want the piece of mind knowing I'm all ready covered. I realize it's hard to spend that kind of money per bag when the price is so low. |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 18 Dec 2015 at 8:13pm
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Not sure about the difference. When I started, none of the big companies wanted to sell the few bags I needed, so I went with LG. 180 acres later... ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 7:14am
? Do tell please? |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 8:13am
| have you checked into the "open pollinated" seed corn? it's really advancing in popularity, and is a WHOLE LOT CHEAPER! and they say you can plant the corn you raise back the next year saving thousands of dollars in seed costs! used to be it didn't raise as many bushels, but that is long passed, I've talked to a few that plant it and they say it's yielding as good as a lot of hybred seed. wether that's true? dunno...but it's worth looking into I think! and even if it doesn't yield as high, there is a lot less invested in it, so it may work out the same or better on profit margin! oh...and you're not supporting Monsanto with it! |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 4:08pm
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last year grand total for herbicide (Capreno and Atrazine) per acre was $17.91 per acre, including application. only got a little bit of dry fertilizer on this year at planting though sadley ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 6:06pm
Let me hook you up with some Renk. Family owned central Wisconsin company. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: victoryallis
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 6:12pm
You can grow normal hybrid corn and not support Monsanto. Besides what would be so bad about supporting Monsanto if a big M hybrid gives you the best ROI? Couple guys here tried open pollinated and it fell flat on its face. ------------- 8030 and 8050MFWD, 7580, 3 6080's, 160, 7060, 175, heirloom D17, Deere 8760 |
Posted By: Mike Plotner
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 8:54pm
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almost considered growing some open pollinated just for fun. actually, we still have all the seed cleaners and graders from when my great grandpa and his brother sold hybrid corn, soybeans, wheat, oats and barley. first ones in the state I belive ------------- 2001 Gleaner R42, 1978 7060, 1977 7000, 1966 190 XT, 1966 D-17 Series IV and 1952 WD and more keep my farm running! |
Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 9:33pm
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It would be neat if some one were to grow a test plot with no GMO corn. A couple of the non GMO hybrids next to say, Green Field 114 and Wapsie Valley. Treat the corn to the same fertilizer and ck the yields and compare prices and how much they would make per acre! ------------- It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa, |
Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 9:35pm
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Make sure there is no deer or racoons around though. I grew some Wapsie Valley and hand picked it and put it in my shed in an open wagon. I had about 25 bu in the wagon. The racoons shelled and ate every ear! ------------- It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa, |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 21 Dec 2015 at 11:47pm
| they'll do that anyways (the coons) they even eat the coated seed after they tear open the bag! |
Posted By: Tbone95
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2015 at 7:45am
I'd be happy to! I want 4 bags of something. Somewhere between 85 and 90 days grain corn. JD Plate screened with recommendation. BUT, I highlighted chemical in red. How is conventional corn cheaper in chemicals? |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 22 Dec 2015 at 8:11am
I don't farm for a living but I plant a bit of corn. My old 919 Jd planter still has seed from 3 years ago when we cleaned the neighbors planter out to go to beans. Cost is very reasonable at $0.00
 The corn I planted last year in virgin pasture ground did very well and stood all summer this year. The same corn this year had smaller ears and didn't stand till Thanksgiving. Planted right across the lane from last years corn in virgin ground.------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: charlesbendal
Date Posted: 29 Dec 2015 at 7:52pm
| we grow hubner its a regional monsanto brand like becks. our favorite corn is 5151 its a 95 day tripple stack ends up about $250 a bag. our favorite beans are 32-13 we had far better beans than anyone else in the area this year. |