B restoration (24 January 16) Purists Beware!
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Topic: B restoration (24 January 16) Purists Beware!
Posted By: Hubnut
Subject: B restoration (24 January 16) Purists Beware!
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 3:34pm
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Well, I know many have seen tons of B's restored, but I thought I'd chronicle my endeavor. This is my first B. It's already in pieces, so that's how we start. I got the engine magnafluxed, the crank turned, the head shaved. Got the engine rebuild components and have begun working on assembly. Here we go! http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN4941_zpsj736nyt1.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5116_zpsubidgygu.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5118_zpsilvzr1b3.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5117_zpsfgir1q85.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5119_zpspb3oibrd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5121_zpsem3zpoww.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5122_zpskpomiciz.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
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Posted By: Stan IL&TN
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 3:53pm
I don't think anyone minds seeing pictures of another B saved. We like pictures! Looks great! ------------- 1957 WD45 dad's first AC 1968 one-seventy 1956 F40 Ferguson |
Posted By: GregLawlerMinn
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 5:18pm
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Looks as if you are doing it right. Should be a gem when completed. ------------- What this country needs is more unemployed politicians-and lawyers. Currently have: 1 D14 and a D15S2. With new owners: 2Bs,9CAs,1WD,2 D12s,5D14s,3D15S2s, 2D17SIVs,D17D,1D19D;1 Unstyled WC |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 5:20pm
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Keep the pictures coming. I love to see progress. On another note! I would like to spend a week in your shop working on stuff. It would then look like a work shop rather than a movie set.   
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Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 7:09pm
Oh Dick! Trust me, it gets dirty. Really I'm kind of a neat freak. I am short on space too, so I need to keep things tidy for the space. |
Dick L wrote:Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:26pm
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Dick you are right about a movie set. I don't think my workbench was ever that clean. How do you find anything? Bob ------------- 4 B's, 1 C's,3 CA's, 2 G's WD, D14, D15, B-1, B10, B12, 712S, |
Posted By: Bill Long
Date Posted: 08 Oct 2015 at 9:29pm
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Thank you for taking on the challenge of restoring a B. Surely looks like you are going about it in a right manner. Wish I could be of some assistance but I am well beyond that. However, I will cheer from the sidelines to see another of my favorites brought back to life. Thanks again for saving another B. Love to view progress pictures. Good Luck! Bill Long |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 12:23am
| I have a few of those shed roof additions like in the first pic! I too like seeing pics...keep them coming! oh...and I should work in your shop too, maybe Dick and I could really give you something to do after we're done! lol |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 5:27am
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I'm always right there lookin' at progress pics. Love them progress pics, especially of any kind of B, C, or CA's! The B's are my favorites to just like my pal Bill! Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 5:28am
| Thanks Shameless. I'm sure you and Dick could make it look less "like a movie set" and more like a shop. As I've said before, I finally got enough money together to build a shop on my little property--so, the shop is about a year old. That's why everything looks so new. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 5:30am
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Thanks Bill and Stevo. Sometimes I wonder if it's worth posting the pics. Everyone has seen the same resto over and over! :) |
Posted By: skeeters65
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 7:11am
| Did some B's come in that orange and white paint combo like the one in the first pic or is that your own flavor? |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 7:54am
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Steve That tool box and that foot rest on your workbench look familiar. The bearing retainer does too. Kenny |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 7:57am
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Kenny, Thanks for the parts. Always top quality at a good price. I need more things, so will be in touch. Steve |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 8:01am
It's a C that I painted my own way. Not a purist's dream, but I like it. The restoration is seen here: http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=102874&KW=&title=my-c-restoration-update-29-aug-15 |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 8:05am
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Steve, I think most of us like to visually see the progression of good work. And I do mean work. Behind the scenes Steve is spending endless hours fighting rusty bolts, boogered up threads and gobs of oil, grease and dirt not to mention rust! Just to provide us with these awesome shots of his next orange project. Yea these shots make it look easy! You really have to love the process to Get it Done! The transformation seems to take a long time for the restorer. But its well worth it! The "B" is looking great! Nice shop! Thanks Steve! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 8:32am
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Chris, I know you KNOW the effort into these "restorations." Your work is outstanding! I need to start taking pics when I'm grimy and before I take things apart! I love to see things made fresh again. Thanks for the encouragement! I'm off to look at a CA now  .Steve |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 8:56am
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Steve We have a CA NF here at the farm with new tires that needs a new home. You can take it home with you when you come to visit Henderson in November. I will send some pics if your interested. Kenny |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 9:15am
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Hubnut, There are never too many pictures of a B restoration underway. Please keep 'em coming as you continue your work. Maybe because I have five B's waiting for me to finish the D-14 in the shop, you efforts make me feel less guilty. Bob@allisdowneast ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: skeeters65
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 2:14pm
It's different and I like it! Let the purists squirm. I havent posted any pics of the B I'm working on cause the purists would have a seizure. Maybe one day. |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 4:06pm
That is the reason I never clamed to restore a tractor. My mind will not let me not take liberties on anything I am repairing. My what if takes over.
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 4:35pm
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Steve, You can bet your bippy its worth postin' pics!! Gives everybody a chance to see the resto in action. Also, gives extra idea's to folks who like "different" like me for example! You just keep postin' them pics buddy. We'll tell you when we're not interested anymore.... NOT! ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 7:13pm
| Thanks guys. I do have one important question. Why is the last bolt ALWAYS the hardest to get out, shear off, remain stuck, break a bit off in, ad nauseum????? |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 7:34pm
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Steve, These projects test us in many ways! Getting that broken bolt out then becomes the mini project and on it goes! What projects do you have lined up for your tractors? I have been hauling the log splitter with one WD and the trailer for the wood with the other. Two more cord to split at my daughters. Feels good to work the old Allis' a little. Almost thinking the one rusty WD, which is really my best mechanical tractor could use a face lift too:) Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: allischalmerguy
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2015 at 11:17pm
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Hubnut, I like the C restoration you did. I don't mind at all a tractor that is not painted like it came from the factory. When I go to a car show many of them are not painted like they came from the factory. I think someday we will see more "custom tractors" where people paint them different. I know some don't like that. But I do. Some of the pullers you see around do paint with a custom paint job. ------------- It is great being a disciple of Jesus! 1950 WD, 1957 D17...retired in Iowa, |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2015 at 6:18am
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Chris, Funny you should ask. I have a go-getter niece (like your firewood-hauling daughter) that just bought acreage in Georgia. I gave her a C with mower deck and she's already started doing jobs on the side with it. I will also give her one of the Bs I have with a 3 point for various implements--box blade, etc. The others are simply garage queens that I am collecting. I was hoping to finish the B, then move on to a CA. I had a nice WC that I restored, but stupidly, I sold it. Steve |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2015 at 6:19am
| ACguy, Thank you sir! To each his own. Some like the modification, some don't. But, I've found that most here appreciate the hard work that goes into "restoration." |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2015 at 7:38am
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What paint procedure are you using on the B. The block painting looks like what the industry calls direct to metal. That is the way Allis painted Bs. No Primer. The two I have done I did rather unconventionally. The CA chassis just got a good degreasing and a brushed coat of Alkyd Enamel Orange followed by a sprayed coat of PPG OMNI AU Persian Orange 60080. The sheet metal parts got a good sanding by hand to smooth the old paint and all that don't show got coat of Alkyd Enamel orange. What showed got a little body work (Rage) and primer surfacer. Sanded real smooth and top coated with PPG. It still looks great as a pull tractor but not a show queen. Old Alkyd paint was good on the CA just faded The 38 B I painted was not mine. Gary A brought it to me wire wheeled and sandblasted and rattle can primed with red oxide Rustoleum . The Chassis got brushed again with Orange Alkyd Enamel and top coated with PPG OMNI AU 60080. Sheet Metal. Any body work was done before Gary primed the sheet metal with rustoleum sprayed on. It got sanded smooth and finished with PPG OMNI 60080. It is a show tractor and looks great after 5 years. I'm pretty sure Gary did his IB like we did the 38B and it is a super nice show tractor 4 years later. After assembly the nuts, bolts ad screws were touched up with a small artist brush with PPG. Let me add this, I do not approve or endorse my painting methods. I do however approve of using PPG OMNI AU PO#1 60080 as the proper "restoration" finish color on ACs prior to 1960, Makes no sense to go cheap on what everyone sees first. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 5:39pm
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Made a very little progress. I got the tranny apart, cleaned, new seals, bearings fine, gears great, and painted her up. Best tranny I've seen so far. I also got the sheet metal sandblasted and primed. The fuel tank had a good number of pinholes in it. I JB welded the holes, then lined the tank with RedKote. Seems to be okay. http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5198_zpsdulga2wa.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5199_zpsqqeowknn.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5200_zpsrjxn9bk6.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Wdtractorman
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 8:08pm
| I have to say I really enjoy your post, but b's and c's are my favorite. I have to also say I can tell we not in the same tax bracket lol. I don't have near the funds or time to do the compleat tear down and rebuilt and expect to have it done in the next few years lol. Witch it would help if I'd limit my projects to one or two instead of a dozen or so lol. You do great work keep it up! |
Posted By: desertjoe
Date Posted: 31 Oct 2015 at 9:12pm
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Hey Hubnut,,,keep the pics comin,Guy,,,how else all us others gonna learn bouts these AC's,,,??? Your project is lookin great and will look better than new for sure, when you're done,,,  Hey Skeeter,,,you gotta start postin pics of your project,,,I love to see these projects comin together,,,, The beauty of everybody postin their projects is not all of us think and do things exactly the same,,,and that's what I like to see is the individualism of all the other ideas,,,,, Let's DO IT,,,!!!!
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Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2015 at 8:23am
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Steve, Looking real good on the tranny for the B! Your making good progress. That was a lot of steps to get to this point. Great pictures. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2015 at 2:19pm
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Steve just left here with a couple of parts for the project and some thoughts to ponder for his next. I have threatened to post pictures of "Maggie" as she was when Dave Kamp pulled her into the driveway here, after picking her up for me west of Atlanta. Definitely not the same looking tractor! Your paint scheme isn't a purist dream, but it wasn't when she got here either, which is why Dave and I called her "White Wheels". Looks a lot better now in cream! Always enjoy looking at your posts Steve, keep up the good work and come back when you can! David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 01 Nov 2015 at 4:42pm
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David, As usual a pleasure to deal with such a gentleman. The weights will complete my B project--almost. I sure like walking around your collection of AC. I always get some good pointers and learn about these fine tractors. Oh, I need to ask Kenny about the engine weights. Best to you and your family. Steve |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2015 at 10:27am
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http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99467&KW=Weights&PID=786921&title=ac-b-c-engine-side-weights#786921 This should be the post explaining the B weights and the differences David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: sandman2234
Date Posted: 02 Nov 2015 at 10:29am
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http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99467&KW=Weights&PID=786921&title=ac-b-c-engine-side-weights#786921" rel="nofollow - http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=99467&KW=Weights&PID=786921&title=ac-b-c-engine-side-weights#786921 David from jax ------------- A proud member of the Allis Express movement! Northeast Florida |
Posted By: structures
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2015 at 8:59am
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sweet another hubnut build! ------------- Robert http://www.allischalmers.com/forum/forum_posts.asp?TID=82702&KW=structures&title=structures-1964-allis-d15-series-ii" rel="nofollow - 1964 D15 Series II |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2015 at 6:01pm
| Thanks David for the link. Thanks to everyone for the comments. I've got an unusual paint scheme planned for this little B, that I've named, "Haney." |
Posted By: V2Inc
Date Posted: 03 Nov 2015 at 6:08pm
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I really enjoy seeing things taken down to the core then put back together again. Truly enjoying what your doing there. ------------- Allis Chalmers 616 w/60" Blade, 48" Rotary Tiller & Plow - Cool Man Stuff |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 04 Nov 2015 at 8:40am
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Steve. I do have a extra set of the correct beveled engine sideweights with bushings for your B. $225 the pair. Kenny We need to get Allis Express involved in getting them to you. Henderson TX to Gainsville FL |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 4:24pm
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Made a little progress today. I got right side final drive disassembled, cleaned and painted. I damaged the outer hub bearing getting it off on the press and have to get a new one. Darn! I didn't have the inner side of the bearing supported well enough. Slow, but sure. http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5217_zpsq3ggtwpi.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5219_zpstdkmcawi.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5218_zpsydglbd3m.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5220_zpsqvkg29my.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5224_zpsolyctqt5.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5225_zps61n3tyz6.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 4:56pm
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Hubnut Is that a Harbor Freight Press? I need to invest in one like that. Kenny |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 5:02pm
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Steve, Your making good progress on Haney! I couldn't figure out how you got Bart up and going at the same time?:) Looking forward to that custom paint scheme too! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 08 Nov 2015 at 5:11pm
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Kenny, Sadly it is a Harbor Freight press. However, it has served me well. I welded more supports on it to sure it up. Chris, I've "finished" Bart. It's going to my niece and her new little farm. It's a nice little tractor. It needs a 3-point conversion. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 10 Nov 2015 at 5:26pm
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Got home a little early and assembled one final drive and mated it to the tranny. A chain fall sure makes things easier. I found the hub bearing locally. For those interested, it is a National 368 and cost me $28. I can't believe how easily all this went tonight. Even the seal went in on the first try. http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5226_zps6ze0xi3d.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5228_zpsxroiprmc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5229_zps5yu1mr6y.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5232_zpsgfkeit7c.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 11 Nov 2015 at 8:05am
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Steve, Well that looks real nice! Love it when things work and go together with out much fuss. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2015 at 2:30pm
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Another update. Seems to be going back together slowly. One of the driver's final drives had a badly pitted bearing, which had to be replaced. I also replaced the axle seals. I have new tires (11.2 x 24). These guys are huge! I plan to put the wheel in with the dish out to gain enough room for the fenders. http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5256_zpsblxcqn6n.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5257_zpsa4pttazg.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 29 Nov 2015 at 8:54pm
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Steve, Your making great progress. All that good work takes time! Thanks for posting the pictures of the fresh orange! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 9:03am
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Steve You shouldn't have tire fender clearance issues with 11-2 tires and wheels set dish side in. Mount the tires on the rims with the rim bumps to the inside. Mount rims with the locks on the outside of the wheels. |
Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 4:47pm
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Stevo! Its lookin' great man! Keep them pics comin'!! Steve@B&B ------------- 39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 7:52pm
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Chris, Steve, Kenny, Thanks for the encouraging words. Thanks to Kenny I decided to mount the wheels dish side in. I was able to mount the wheels to the rims and then put them on the tractor (well, the back half anyway). It's coming along. I bought BKT tires this time instead of Firestone. It saved me a little bit of money. DO ya'll think the wheels look okay as mounted to the tractor? Steve http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5258_zpspaigapsc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5259_zpsafkfijsj.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5260_zps2oe0awqz.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: steve(ill)
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 8:34pm
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how WIDE do you want to back end to be when complete ? look at the position of the hub inside the rim compared to your photo on page 1. ------------- Like them all, but love the "B"s. |
Posted By: Acmichael
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 9:43pm
| Another nice original build. Going to look. Are you going to go oversize on the front tires as well? Keep the pics coming |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 30 Nov 2015 at 10:00pm
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Steve Swap the rims and tires side to side keeping the tire rotation the same. I think your concerns about tire fender clearance was more imagined than real. Put the locking clamps where you feel comfortable. Like Illinois Steve, Now that I see them, I'm not too crazy about seeing the wheels set that deep in the rims. Without widening the front tread to match the rear this B would look very strange indeed. The difference in width of a 9.5 and a 11.2 tire is maybe a inch or less on each side. I don't foresee a tire too fender clearance problem coming swapping tires and rims side to side |
Posted By: skeeters65
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 6:35pm
| Are you spraying this with a rattle can? |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 01 Dec 2015 at 7:54pm
Yes, I am. My last build I had powdercoated. A bit pricey indeed. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 7:46pm
Big tires, Big wide stance! Should make a statement:) I would leave it till you get the rest together. Then see if you like them set out wider. I set my WD wheels out farther just because I could, and I like the look. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 02 Dec 2015 at 8:16pm
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Chris. Very nice. I will not change the rims until I see the entire tractor together. I like the wide stance. The B is an adjustable front, so I can make the front end match. Thanks for the photos. Man, you really do nice work! Steve |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 03 Dec 2015 at 8:27am
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You guys do EXCELLENT work!! Wish I had that much knowledge and tools.... I don't have a B, but do have a C that is a work horse. Has my mower on it. I need to get into the steering problem I have with it.... Meep up the GOOD work and keep em coming! GREAT JOB!! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 04 Dec 2015 at 6:37pm
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Got the torque tube cleaned, painted and tapped all the bolt holes. There were 6 bolts broken off in the TT!! I was able to weld a nut on two and back them out. Two were drilled and tapped, and two (the ones for the tool box) would NOT come out and I could NOT drill into them. I ruined 6 bits trying to drill into these things. No go. I don't know what kind of kooky bolts those are, but my drill bits wouldn't cut them. Notice the really DEEP rust pitting on the TT near the battery box. Wow! http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5261_zpsajskw1ua.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5263_zps3lwf1qe3.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5264_zps0lymcyku.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5265_zpst1uoqefn.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2015 at 6:08am
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2015 at 7:16am
Yes. Mr. Haney. I can still hear his voice. I guess you can tell I'm not very creative. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2015 at 5:22pm
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Got the torque tube installed. Starting to look like a tractor again! http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5276_zpsi5wirxdt.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2015 at 7:26pm
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Something wrong with this picture!:) No tools junk or dirt on the floor! Nice work on that torque tube! It looks great! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Acmichael
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2015 at 8:04pm
I agree Chris I spend most of my time hunting for where I just layed something down can clean and straigjnten up and in 30 min it's back the same way lol |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 05 Dec 2015 at 8:56pm
Dang Chris, I get more comments on my clean shop than the tractor! |
Posted By: Bob D. (La)
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 5:03am
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Well, Hubnut, you asked for it. Anyone with a shop that clean and organized just can't be right in the head. Oops, that makes you just like us huh. ------------- When you find yourself in a hole,PUT DOWN THE SHOVEL!!! |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 5:42am
BobD, I guess you're right--it's nice to fit in somewhere--even with a bunch a nuts! |
Posted By: Dick L
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 7:19am
Before I open a hubnut post I grab a pair of dirty pitted sun glasses. It is a buffer to the clean shock.  |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 7:39am
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Wish you were closer. My place is a real mess but I have a pile of slick TTs without deep rust pits going to the scrap yard as soon at the price of old iron goes up. I would have been very happy to make a trade. Your pitted TT with broke off bolts for a much better one. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 7:58am
Kenny, If I've said it once, I've said it a thousand times--I wish you were closer to my AO! Steve |
Posted By: Bob-Maine
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 8:25am
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Those pits are part of the tractor's character and history. Bob@allisdowneast ------------- I used to think I was indecisive, but now I'm not sure. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 9:00am
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Steve, The tractor looks great! My brain says I would like to have a shop that looks like that. My hands don't seem to go along with it:) Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 6:03pm
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Check this out. This is the drive pin for the oil pump! Pretty worn huh! Looks like it was going to snap soon! I never thought about looking at that pin until DickL mentioned it in a recent post. I replaced it with a 3/16 spring pin. I will have to make the slot a little bigger in the oil pump. Whew. I'm glad I looked at that pin! http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5288_zpsps56ncbh.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 6:04pm
I couldn't agree more Bob! The tractor earned those pits! |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 06 Dec 2015 at 6:06pm
Chris, It's actually worse than most know. If I can't find a tool, I won't do anything else UNTIL the tool is found! I'm nuts for sure. Steve |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2015 at 1:39pm
Heck, tools are easy to find!! It's always the last place you look and the last place you left it!
 Lookin GOOD! ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2015 at 1:41pm
 ------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2015 at 6:12pm
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Did some work on Haney. Got the engine sleeves and pistons installed and I rebuilt the head. First time for valve guides and lapping. Went okay. The hardest part of the weekend was trying to get the adjustable front disassembled. Man that was HARD! I had to weld some stock to each side and use a bottle jack to separate them. It was a struggle the ENTIRE length of the insert! Took me 6 frustrating hours to get them separated and then cut and grind all the welds off. Whew! What a day! This is one of those tasks that I do not like. http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5290_zpsmglfteft.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5291_zpsvufvghmd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5289_zpsgb7q7k9m.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5294_zpszye0bvao.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5293_zpsvcddiwin.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5295_zpszyiwbjmp.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5297_zpsj6rbw6oo.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: JohnCO
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2015 at 7:16pm
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Nice meats on the tractor (tires)! Good work and a neat shop, hard to beat!!
------------- "If at first you don't succeed, get a bigger hammer" Allis Express participant |
Posted By: Ted J
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2015 at 7:44pm
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I'm thinking that I need to move ALL of my wide fronts and hope none of them are locked up yet! Should get them all apart and put some never seize on those parts of mine too!
------------- "Allis-Express" 19?? WC / 1941 C / 1952 CA / 1956 WD45 / 1957 WD45 / 1958 D-17 |
Posted By: Chalmersbob
Date Posted: 12 Dec 2015 at 10:03pm
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The problem with the B wide front is that the joint is at the top and gets rain into it so it rusts fast. On the CA they inverted the joint so its at the bottom. That makes it much easier to take apart. I never did get my B axle separated. I took the bolts out 10 years ago and I run it like that. Thought maybe it would loosen, No such luck. Your doing a great job on that tractor. LOL Bob ------------- 4 B's, 1 C's,3 CA's, 2 G's WD, D14, D15, B-1, B10, B12, 712S, |
Posted By: B26240
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2015 at 6:38am
| Keep posting your progress as it is very interesting seeing what a first class job you are doing !! Mark |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 13 Dec 2015 at 5:06pm
That makes sense! Well, at least AC figured it out eventually. Thanks to everyone for the comments. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 14 Dec 2015 at 5:08pm
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Steve, You got that front end apart! I might have tried heating the side oppisite the slot with a torch and hoped it opened. Probably would have still needed the jack. These just get growed together from the rust. I used a sledge on one and ended up damaging the spindle housing. The block and head are looking real good! Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 4:56pm
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Got a little more done. Cleaned up the distributor and repaired some metal parts and painted them. I'm stuck waiting on a clutch part to get Haney back together. It's getting close. http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5304_zps14h8bwqo.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5305_zps61wpb2ez.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5306_zpsiks0yee6.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5309_zpsxlubj0cl.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5308_zpsu1doqjtg.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5307_zpss3dtol1q.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 5:17pm
| My hat is off to you for getting that wide front end apart I would have probably decided I liked it just where it was set to avoid breaking it. I was just wondering if now that you have it apart you could flip it over like the comment about the CA wide front end. Just thinking it would be the time if it is somewhat easy to do but I have never seen either one in person so I don't know. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 5:36pm
No, I plan to put it back together as original. However, I plan to slather anti-seize all over the bar. More importantly, this tractor will be a garage queen and, hopefully, never get wet. |
Posted By: Ken in Texas
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 5:46pm
| Clutch part is on the way. PM being sent with tracking number. |
Posted By: Dan73
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 5:48pm
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Your plan should work. If you keep it dry it won't rust. My d17 lives outside most of the time but my d15 seems to always find her way km to the barn when it rains. Only left that out once before I realized that even a new one of those padded seats still gets wet and makes you feel like you peed your pants... that seat will probably go a long ways to protecting the entire tractor from the sun and rain.... I forgot to say great work. I love to see how nice these can be done makes me feel guilty about not making mine look as nice... |
Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 5:55pm
| Might be a little late but I learned that you need to load the front bearing on the trans so driveshaft will stop turning quicker when clutch is deprested and you don't grind gears as bad .Learned this after I redid my 49 B. Yours is looking good. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 6:13pm
Thanks Kenny. Once I get that part I can get the tractor back on all 4s. As usual, I am grateful for your help and quality parts. Steve |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 17 Dec 2015 at 6:15pm
That makes sense. I did have to address that bearing in this tractor. It was a good bearing, but had slipped away from the race. |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2015 at 8:32am
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Steve, Great pictures of your progress. I have really enjoyed watching your work. You do a great job presenting the information to us! The distributor and housing look very good. That picture of the PTO with the little lever that you hook your finger in made me snap back to a memory from when I was about 6 years old. My uncle Clair had a B or C and I was setting on it with it running. I think I had seen him pull that lever up before. He did not have the clutch in and for some reason I decide it was time to engage the PTO! I shouted to him "I'm throwing her in gear" and jerked up on that lever! Much to my surprise as the gears ground and who knows what happened!:) I don't remember him having that tractor too long after that! Darn kids! Merry Christmas to you and all the Allis folks on here! By the way Steve its 29 degrees here and about 8-9 inches of fresh powder last light. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2015 at 12:51pm
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Thanks Chris. Nice story. Sounds like you grew up with tractors. I'm a city boy for sure. It's in the upper 60s here today. I'm still in shorts though! Sorry, had to rub it in a bit. I made a little progress. I got the spindle bushings installed. Fairly easy job. The old ones were VERY worn. I also got the fenders and front end painted. I'm almost completed with the dirty work. Assembly is the fun part. I am waiting on a throwout bearing carrier from Kenny. Mine had an ear broken off. Merry Christmas to you too and all the AC folks. Steve http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5310_zpsxeipbm2q.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5311_zpsxgnmc2ee.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5312_zpshykhphtc.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5313_zps6hlpewzd.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 19 Dec 2015 at 8:11pm
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Steve, Shorts and painting outside! Now that just is not fair! We ended the day with about a foot of snow. I started the Ford Jubilee, hooked on to the back blade and had my way with the plowing the drive! Hey those fenders look real good. You did a good job getting those adjustable front end parts cleaned up. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: Hubnut
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 5:28pm
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Been under the weather, so the project slowed. I got the engine and front end on. Happy New Year! http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5322_zps2jnog6ch.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  http://s202.photobucket.com/user/cytochromeP450/media/DSCN5324_zpsey0dxqhv.jpg.html" rel="nofollow">  ------------- 1940 B "Lucy" 1941 B w/ Woods L59 "Flavia" 1942 B w/ finish mower "Dick" 1941 C w/ 3-point "Maggie" 1947 C SFW w/ L306 "Trixie" 1972 314H |
Posted By: Sugarmaker
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 6:03pm
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Steve, Looking real good up on four wheels again! Happy New Year. You in shorts again? We have several inches of new powder. Regards, Chris ------------- D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 8:01pm
| all i see is wood working tools in that shop, and no beer fridge! PffffT! but nice job so far on the tractor! |
Posted By: CrestonM
Date Posted: 01 Jan 2016 at 11:34pm
Mine needs that. I have to wait about 5 seconds before I can shift without grinding.
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