cant get 190xt to hook up
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Topic: cant get 190xt to hook up
Posted By: jwbigbaddodge540hp
Subject: cant get 190xt to hook up
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2015 at 5:09pm
| Hello everyone I am having trouble getting my 190xt to hook up to the track it weights 8500 lb. has a 20 inch draw bar and about 50% life road worn special service tires I am running 7 psi in them there 18.4 34 tires any good ideas out there? I ran a 100 lb. weight on the front last pull never got lite in the front to much weight in the front maybe looking for some help with it please, I cant even make it get in to the pump and injectors Ed built for it never even pulls down! Last hook was only a 4 mph pull small sled was afraid I would break it got beat up by the red and it was just a super mta I have to stop this lol! |
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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 24 Sep 2015 at 7:37pm
| You start by losing the front cast iron support underneath the radiator and sharper rear tires. |
Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2015 at 8:58am
| How fare in is ur draw bar. I can't run with mine in all the way. It's taken a lot of runs to get my 190 to hook up,moving weight,hitch and makeing a custom front end. Now it hooks every time. |
Posted By: Shawn PA
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2015 at 11:33am
| 38 inch tires is a must |
Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 25 Sep 2015 at 7:12pm
| Shawn knos ,, his 190 is awesome |
Posted By: studer automotive
Date Posted: 29 Sep 2015 at 9:05pm
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Same problem with my 185, I run the drawbar all the way in. Should I pull it back out to where I use it in the field? It spins out every time ------------- a-c 185-d y/r cab turbo soon 99 f-250 7.3 4x4 86 mustang5.0 owned since 8/93 |
Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2015 at 7:39am
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I had to pull my drawbar back till I found the sweet spot. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2015 at 10:01am
I used to have to extend the drawbar to get enough leverage to try to get the front end light. The 180/185 are very heavy on the front. |
studer automotive wrote:Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 30 Sep 2015 at 12:26pm
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Just a question whats you front to rear ratio my 190 is 70 % rear at 5500 lbs draw bar 20 up 20 out hooked good till it lost power director ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: jwbigbaddodge540hp
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 1:08am
| uploads/13319/FB_IMG_1444024984366.jpg" rel="nofollow - FB_IMG_1444024984366.jpg here is a picture of my draw bar I'm running on it 20 inches hight about 3 inch out from the draw bar support |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 1:16am
| JW...that looks like mild steel, don't it bend down while pulling? |
Posted By: jwbigbaddodge540hp
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 1:21am
| Shameless its 1 inch thick I haven't bent it yet and its a little wider than the factory draw bar, its actually wear resistant steel bar we use at work a little bit better than middle steel. |
Posted By: jwbigbaddodge540hp
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 1:32am
| I will get some pictures of my rear tires in the morning and up load them so everyone can see how the tires a worn look kind of like top cuts but the worst part is there special service tires or rice and cane tires at about 50 % tread or less I ran them last time at 7 psi this weekend I am going to go down to about 4 psi in them and see what happens. |
Posted By: SHAMELESS
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 1:51am
| o-k....it's just that I've seen the heavy drawbars on the 7000 series bend at pulls. was just wondering... |
Posted By: jwbigbaddodge540hp
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 1:58am
| I don't think I can bend it but I could be wrong on that I have seen stuff you wouldn't think you could break broke in dozen parts too or bent up. |
Posted By: 2wise4agm
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 6:30am
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That drawbar is already a lot longer than what I run. I would also lose the clevis and make something that fastens solidly to your drawbar! Tires are also very important, and as said earlier 38's are pretty much a must have. |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 6:48am
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It's almost impossible to tell if a drawbar is going to work by looking at it. A drawbar that doesn't work at all might work great if you can relocate 500 lbs. from the front to the extreme rear of the tractor. On the (antique) WD-45 I occasionally pull, I can't come close to getting the front end light at our local county fair which has a stone dust track with very little bite. When we pull on a clay track about 40 miles away, without changing one thing, I can't keep the front end on the ground. There are a few things you might be able to do to help your spinning out situation: 1. GET RID OF THE CLEVIS !!! If your association allows it, make a 3/4" to 7/8" steel plate with a 3" round hole that bolts to your drawbar. Your clevis drops as soon as you tighten the chain. You might lose as much as a couple inches of drawbar height with a clevis. 2. Lighten the front end of the tractor (which is usually not as easy as it sounds). 3. Put all the moveable weight behind the rear axle. 4. You might want to have someone video your pull and watch the rear tires. I always felt the secret was hard tires on a hard (clay) track and softer tires on softer (stone dust) tracks. 5. Try making your drawbar adjustable in and out and up and down. When you vary tire pressure, you need to compensate on hitch height. I use two overlapping steel bars with several 5/8" hole in each, so I can adjust in and out easily by removing a couple bolts and adjusting the overall length of the drawbar. |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 7:42pm
I agree lose the clevis before you hook again, I would be way more concerned with that p.o.s. cast pin than bending your draw bar. now is this a pulling only tractor or a farm tractor, if it is a pulling tractor shorten the draw bar up to 21 inches from center of the rear to the hook point ( i go 21 so no pissed off tech can say your 1/16 of an inch to short and you cant pull  ) now set it to 20 inches high if that's what your rules say and start taking weight out of the front end and add to the rear until it hooks up. think about it this way have you ever seen a super stock or a modified with a long drawbar , NOT as I asked before next time you go across a scale what's the front to rear weight I would not be surprised if your not close to 50 50 it takes work you need to get some where in the 70 -80 %rear mine 70% at 5500 weight brackets need to be as far back as possible and yes every inch matters ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 8:00pm
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wf the two tracks you pull the wd at do you use the same sled ? every sled pulls different ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: WF owner
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 8:24pm
| Yes - same sled. |
Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 9:48pm
| I run a 190 in the 8000# class. I'm 2200lbs on the front axle and haven't even tried to strip more off. I run 600lbs behind the axle and 400lbs underneath. Hitch 20" from center axle and 20" high. I run 23.1x34 and it hooks excellent. |
Posted By: bradley6874
Date Posted: 05 Oct 2015 at 10:00pm
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thank you ds that's 73% rear weight ------------- You can wash the dirt off the body but you can’t wash the farmer out of the heart and soul |
Posted By: jwbigbaddodge540hp
Date Posted: 13 Oct 2015 at 7:28pm
| Thank you everyone for the help with it built a new hitch for it 20 inches back and 20 inches tall pulled it Saturday afternoon in the open 8500lb class and the open 9000lb class no speed limit, pulled in 7th gear first pull second 6th got under the turbo in 7th gear but stayed right on top in 6th gear both hooks ended in the first place standing, first hook pulled 280 foot second hook pulled a 297 foot pull this winters I am going to build a new front for it to get the weight balance right on it and some day a set of press steel 38 tires but I need some engine work before that rings rod bearing's and mains never have looked at it just did head and fuel and turbo on it is all, and affair to say maybe some pd work as well I think I slipped it Saturday in my first hook and it may of just been spinning off the line I don't really know, Ill try and get some videos up loaded to you tube and share them on here. thanks again everyone that help and offered advice to me with it, if you have face book there on my face book page James Walters |