Maintain Your Ground!
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Topic: Maintain Your Ground!
Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Subject: Maintain Your Ground!
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 7:34pm
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Recent posts on here brought up the topic of maintaining a good ground on 6v starting systems. Today I had a graphic illustration of this working on my C. Decided to post about it to highlight a couple of points about "making sure you have a good ground."
1. Battery terminals - applying the standard terminal wire brush may be a start to cleaning them, but using a wire brush in a drill will get the job done a lot better. The terminals should have a bright silver sheen when done. A polished grey-black surface is just shined up oxidation, and it's death to conductivity!
2. Take apart the ground point connection on the steering post. Polish all the parts, including the battery cable connector. Polish the steering post - get down to bare metal.
3. Put this task on the annual maintenance list. I spent about 30 minutes doing this spring cleaning, but I'm old and slow! Seriously, should take more than 15-20 minutes.
I've had challenges with a sluggish starter motor on the C - not any more!
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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Posted By: Brian Jasper co. Ia
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 8:13pm
Dave, what works better than brushing terminals is using a terminal post cleaning tool that shapes both the post and the cable clamp. Two properly shaped posts and clamps provind a much larger surface contact area.
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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 8:23pm
Brian, that makes great sense to me. The more surface area in contact, the more conductivity. I have one of the two-piece terminal/clamp cleaing brushes - it wouldn't touch the oxidation on the terminals, but it did seem to do a good job on the clamps. Like any other tool, I imagine that there are good and bad versions of this one!
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 8:38pm
My "new" G wouldn't turn over when I got it. I had some work done on the starter but one big problem was the paint on the flange of the starter and paint on the mating surface on the bell housing. I wire brushed all the surfaces and now when I bump the starter it's running. One thing I haven't fixed, that I have seen before is the ground cable is hooked to the battery box. This is probably the worst thing you could hook your ground cable to because most boxes eventually get terminal cancer.
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Posted By: wfmurray
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 9:00pm
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One thing to not over look is solinoid .Problem on 14 for year or two .Replaced solinod and cranked like new.
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Posted By: Steve in NJ
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 9:13pm
That's one thing I always preach to you feller's runnin' the 6V systems. Grounds, grounds, grounds. And they gotta' be clean.This applies to all electrical systems, but the 6V versions need just a little more attention. Good job Dave! Pass on the info! A Rol-locs pad in a drill or air die grinder works great for cleaning off Battery terminals, posts and eyelet connectors. Works great on cleaning off frame rails to!
Steve@B&B
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 9:49pm
Back about 1955, maybe 1958 when I started driving, my dad emphasized battery post cleaning and his method was using a sturdy short blade on the pocket knife to scrape all the gray oxide down to soft shiny lead. Same thing reaming the connector. I do have a combination cleaning tool that has a tapered reamer for the terminals and a steel scraper for the posts, but I think the good brushes clean better. The bristles tend to lay over in the brush, so reverse the direction of rotation if you can. That makes the steel bristles dig better for a while. The metal cased brushes may be sturdier. A brush that is easy to use isn't doing much cleaning.
Grounds ARE important, but in a starter circuit ALL connections are of equal concern. One of the fundamental theorems of electricity is that the same current flows in all parts of a circuit, that in the starter circuit being the battery posts, the wires, the connections to ground AND to the starter solenoid, the connection from starter solenoid to starter, the brush wires, the brushes, the commutator, the armature winding, AND the solenoid contacts. Failure in ANY breaks the circuit and prevents starting. They all have to be good to start, and from my dad's training, it was about a once a year project on a 6 volt car. That car, by 1959, had a 60 amp Bosch generator that had spent part of its life in a police cruiser so we could run more ham radio equipment. Long about 1962 my dad was getting on me to check the bearings and brushes, so I wrestled it out from beside the I-6 engine. When I dusted off the name plate I found it said, "check the brushes and repack the bearings every 1 million road miles." So I put it back and left alone. That car is long gone, but I do have that generator.
Gerald J.
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Posted By: Dave(inMA)
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 10:16pm
Gerald, that is a great story about the Bosch gennie! I'm glad to read other posts giving details about particular aspects of the 6v system. The thing that prompted my initial post on this is that I'd used the terminal brush on both the battery and the clamps and noticed that the terminals were a gray-black color while the insides of the clamps were shiny silver. That led me to realize that the so-called "clean" terminals were still heavily oxidized and would not provide the connectivity needed.
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WC, CA, D14, WD45
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