AC rivet sample needed
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Topic: AC rivet sample needed
Posted By: TomYaz
Subject: AC rivet sample needed
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 11:50am
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Hi All,
Looking for a unused sample of rivet # 915701 and 915702 used on the allcrop sickle and I assume other sickles. Have no idea of the dimensions or where they go on the sickle, but I need to find an aftermarket source for them as they are no longer avaialable. Best way to do it is to send the wholesaler one.
Thanks for any help.
Tom
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 11:59am
| Tom the dimensions are listed in the Standard Parts Catalog. If someone else does not post them, then I will publish them here later tonight when I get back to PA. |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 5:01pm
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GlenninPA wrote:Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 8:40pm
| 915701 is a #6 countersink 1-7/16 inch long 915702 is #6 oval head and is 13/16 incn long |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 16 Apr 2010 at 9:00pm
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Thanks!
Hopefully its not an oddball size and I can get easily...
Tom
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 17 Apr 2010 at 6:17am
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Avg number of rivits per lb: 915701 75 915702 112 |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 7:30am
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Went online with these specs....doesnt look good.
The specs for rivets list all the rivets by dimension only...no such thing found as a "#6" rivet.
Will call a supplier to see if they can cross-ref.
Tom
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Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 7:47am
| Tom....I have sections and there may be rivits also. Will check tonight....Dale |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:28am
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Dale, If you can be sure they are for the two part numbers I listed that would be great as the other rivet sizes needed I have already sourced. Once I nail down all the correct sizes and their modern equivalants, I will put a document up on the website explaining it all for everyones dancing and listening pleasure.
Tom
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 9:08am
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Tom,
If I recall, all the section rivets are #6.
Glenn
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Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 9:32am
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Glenn,
Could you confirm that? There are 6 different rivet numbers used on the 66 sickle:
915701
915702
911177
911176
910930
910931
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 9:37am
| I will double check my book when I get back to PA tonight. |
Posted By: ALinIL
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 10:14am
| Tom - If you can size them, I suggest you try McMaster-Carr. - AL |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 11:18am
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Just as I suspected, I called Jay-Cee rivet, and they said "#6" doesnt mean anything to them, at least not anymore. So Im going to need a sample. I might be able to pound out the originals from the bar, but will need a metal shop to do it. I dont have the right facilites to extract a rivet undamaged, if thats even possible.Gee youd think something like this wouldnt be such a hassle.
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Posted By: Rawleigh
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 2:45pm
| Tom: Can't you just measure the hole and let the rivet company suggest the proper rivet? |
Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 2:52pm
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Tom,
They are all "#6" rivets. Just measure one of the other rivets that you have.... The diameter and head will be the same, as long as they are from the same family.
Glenn
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Posted By: Gerald J.
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 3:44pm
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I thought all section rivets were the same diameter since they were mostly standardized to 3 or 4" sections. Shoup shows them as 0.211" diameter. Valubilt says 1/4" diameter. John Day says 7/32" diameter. http://www.johnday.com/customer/jodaco/downloads/catalogfiles/DayBook%20catalog/1-Farm%20Equipment%20(1-87).pdf which is close to 7/32". Measure the holes they go in. The rivet needs a couple to 5 thousandths clearance. McMaster-Carr says a #6 copper rivet has a 0.228" shank. But they don't offer any steel rivets that size. I suppose rivets for guard plates might be a different size yet. Its clear that most of the internet sellers think they have mower section rivets but their rubber ruler has only marks every 1/8" so they don't know what they really have. I suspect those at Shoup if long enough or at valubilt are right even though they are marked differently. Its sacralige to say it here, but try a Deere parts department. Farm equipment, not lawn mower. And look for a gray haired parts seller. Gerald J. |
Posted By: Ted in NE-OH
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 4:39pm
| Call Sandy Lake Implement (888-252-0656) or other dealers. Some one may have them on the shelf or could do a dealer search. |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 5:00pm
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Ted,
Contacting SLI and a dealer search was the first thing I did. Was able to get three of the rivets.
Glenn,
All #6 may do the trick. Do you know if any of these numbers below are listed as "countersink":?
911176
911177 910930 (same as 911177 per AGCO)
910931
If one of these is contersink then I think I will have enough info.
Thanks
Tom
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Posted By: Rfdeere
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 5:58pm
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Hey Tom, I was look'in at your site and noticed you have 1939-1969 as dates of production. The 60 came out in 1935 (Announced in late 1934) as the High Speed combine, was wondering if you knew this?
------------- Randy Freshour,Member Indiana AC Partners, http://www.rumelyallis.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.rumelyallis.com |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 6:15pm
Yep I got a bad date...will fix.. Thanks...
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Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:25pm
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915701 CTSK 1-7/16
915702 OVAL HD 13/16
911177 NOW 910930
911176 CTSK 1-3/8
910930 OVAL 5/8
910931 CTSK 7/8
All are #6. I think this is a military reference for 3/16. (3/16x5/8=6-10) |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:38pm
PS what does the "HD" for 915702 mean?
Thanks Guys for all your assistance!
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Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:41pm
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In my DA cross reference manual I found: #6=.203 So there goes my military theory. Should have quit when I was ahead....Dale |
Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:43pm
Hey O'man what do you think the "HD" means?
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Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 8:59pm
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911177 NOW 910930
911176 CTSK 1-3/8
910931 CTSK 7/8
All show up in the 60 Book.
All are #6. I think this is a military reference for 3/16. (3/16x5/8=6-10) |
Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 9:04pm
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Hey O'man what do you think the "HD" means? HAPPY DAY'S???
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 19 Apr 2010 at 9:24pm
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C'mon Tom you are making my life difficult! You got to spend some of that cash on some books man! Std Abbrv - HD - Head (as in Oval Head, etc.)
Print out this picture....
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Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 5:43am
Cash?, whats that? All my cash is in inventory!
Only question I had left was what "HD" means since Orange put a "Oval" and a "Oval HD" I thought there may be a difference...Would love to have that book...how much you want for it?
Thanks
Tom
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Posted By: GlenninPA
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 6:03am
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My only copy, not for sale right now....
But if you are looking for one, it is titled:
Dealers Parts Catalog
and
Numerical Index
for
STANDARD PARTS
Form D-10
It has all the hardware, fittings, bolts, nuts, screws, pins, rivets, etc in it. Comes in handy once in a while.......
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Posted By: Ball
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 7:10am
these guys have a good selection.
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Contact Information:Posted By: TomYaz
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 7:24am
Thats where I plan on getting them.
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Posted By: orangereborn
Date Posted: 20 Apr 2010 at 8:55am
| Tom...I have a book for sale. PM me. Thanks....Dale |