ok u have a ca question or more like a hydraulic
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Topic: ok u have a ca question or more like a hydraulic
Posted By: what a mess
Subject: ok u have a ca question or more like a hydraulic
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 12:33pm
| i have a ca with a belly mower and it has hydraulic raise on lower on the belly mower is it possible that i could get another cylinder and have it where the back arms would raise at the same time the mower raises? has anyone tried this or anyhting |
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Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 2:12pm
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On my CA with the WOODS belly mower, I have the lift arms pinned in the down position and use a #5 Sickle mower rear mount for the drawbar. For the mower lift I use an extra cylinder that I connect to the remote connection. That allows me to use the "lift and hold" feature in the hydraulic system for mowing tall grass. I also have the cultivator levers installed on the tractor and use a chain down to each side rather that the WOODS lift arm with only the single chain. This takes all of the floppiness out of the mower. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 3:51pm
| Your Ca should already have two cylinders. One on each side. The three outputs on the hold valve are for right left and remote connections. When cultivators were installed one cylinder was pointed fwd and raised the front gang. The other was left in the rear position and operated in delay so the front gang came up first as you moved foward the rear gang wiped your tracks and came up later. The rear arms can be pined down by moving the ram ends to the inner holes with the arms pointed down. I don't use the hyd lift on my woods either. I just put a pipe I place of the ram and never lift the mower. The chain just limits how low the deck can go if it's not limited you can wreck it when it drops into a holes that's to deep. |
Posted By: what a mess
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 9:30pm
| im not sure i asked to correct question is it possible to leave the lift on the woods mower and add a 3rd cylinder so that the rear can lift up and down to hook up to a trailer and stuff like that |
Posted By: Dakota Dave
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 10:07pm
| If you have the lift that came with the woods mower it uses the right cylinder and the left one can be used to operate the rear lift. The rear lift is designed to operate with only one cylinder. If you want a third cylinder just plug it in to the aux remote it should be sticking up through the floor pan under the seat. All three will operate together. |
Posted By: CTuckerNWIL
Date Posted: 30 May 2015 at 10:27pm
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You have one pump and one control valve, Unless you add a diverter valve ALL hydraulics work off the same control lever. The easiest to operate will go first and the hardest, last ! I took both lift arm cylinders and connect to one side of a diverter, hook the loader to the other side and plumb pressure in from the pump to run either the loader , or the lift arms. Clear as mud I suppose? ------------- http://www.ae-ta.com" rel="nofollow - http://www.ae-ta.com Lena 1935 WC12xxx, Willie 1951 CA6xx Dad bought new, 1954WD45 PS, 1960 D17 NF |
Posted By: PaulB
Date Posted: 31 May 2015 at 6:30am
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When using the CA to operate the cultivators the right cylinder will not use the lift and hold feature as it is plumbed from the factory to a different port at the "hold Valve" than the left side and the remote, The line to the right side can be changed to the other port and it is recommended to do so in the "Heavy Tillage" implements manual, this puts both cylinders in the "Lift and Hold' circuit to split the load to both cylinders, instead of just the left side. Doing so eliminates the feature that allows the front gangs to drop first and then by moving the lever further drop the rear gangs. To answer "what a mess's" original question, yes : you can add a third cylinder to work the mower. ------------- If it was fun to pull in LOW gear, I could have a John Deere. Real pullers don't have speed limits. If you can't make it GO... make it SHINY |
Posted By: what a mess
Date Posted: 01 Jun 2015 at 10:24pm
| i thank you guys and wheres is a place to get a 3rd cylinder or what other tractors would one work off of |
Posted By: MrHDC
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2015 at 12:02am
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I have 3 cylinders on my CA. I'm in the middle of a restoration so I apologize for the disassembly. The rear cylinders hook up to the fittings facing to the right in the HYD2 picture and the forward cylinder screws into the port in HYD2. You can see in the HYD2 picture the fitting broke off and I have to coax it out. We never used a belly mower but this hookup worked great with the cultivators. Changed setting on the control for traction boost when pulling the disk or plow. It's been a few years so I may be a little foggy on how the settings work. I'm new here and I'm still trying to get the picture sizes right... Hervey  
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Posted By: MrHDC
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2015 at 12:05am
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Please disregard the picture numbers. I got them wrong anyway but I think the pictures speak for themselves. Hervey |
Posted By: SteveC(NS)
Date Posted: 02 Jun 2015 at 6:44am
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Yesterday I tried to post a pick of the selector valve that resides in my "file manager"of the "member control panel". I couldn't manage to re-post it. If anyone can tell me how to select a previously posted pic in one's file manager I'll put it up. |
Posted By: SteveC(NS)
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2015 at 6:32am
Here it is. (I hope) |
Posted By: SteveC(NS)
Date Posted: 06 Jun 2015 at 6:35am
| What a mess, PM me if you want more info. |