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Topic: 190 power director

Posted By: Dswall
Subject: 190 power director
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2015 at 8:29pm

I was pulling this weekend and the tractor was going down the track and soon as the sled starts to load the tractor the power director feels like it goes into neutral, tractor slows down a little bit then it kicks back into gear. I'm running in 3rd high and I have tried it in low range and it did the same thing! My power director pressure is set at 320 and I have a new main clutch. I have used this tractor in the field and never had a problem. Any help?

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Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2015 at 9:38pm

As you describe it, sounds like the foot clutch is slipping and when the pads warm up and get hot, they finally "grab" the flywheel and slippage stops. 6-pad clutch disc ?? or 4-pad ??

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2015 at 9:43pm

It's a 6 pad. I have heavy springs in the pressure plate and flywheel resurfaced. The pads on the clutch have about 20% more surface area than the stock clutch. It was my first pull with this clutch.

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 09 Mar 2015 at 9:50pm

Thank you for proving my clutch disc argument. 4-pads will transmit more torque/HP than 6-pads !!

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 9:12am

Sorry it's my mistake. I did several clutches that week and I am running a 4 pad. The pads are about 20% larger than stock. Sorry I mis spoke earlier.

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 2:03pm

20% larger than stock pads would require probably 20% more spring pressure to be able to hold the same HP. Flywheel depth should be 1.437" or LESS like 1.4300" is what I like. Each pressure plate finger has to be "level" with the pressure plate when assembled for maximum squeeze. It doesn't sound like Power Director clutch slippage to me, but I'm not there.

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 3:09pm

I'll pull the clutch and check it out. Thank you for the help! I will keep you posted!

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 3:27pm

I know if I were you, I'd tie or clamp something on the PTO shaft, so that you can see that it is running from the seat. Start the tractor and put the transmission in 7-8 gear. Full throttle with the foot clutch up and PTO running. Engage the hand clutch full forward and if the engine doesn't STALL, does the PTO stop turning or not???????????? If the PTO stays running, the PD is slipping. If the PTO stops turning, the foot clutch is slipping. DIAGNOSE IT FIRST.

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 3:32pm

I tried that and it will stall before the PTO stops turning. I had a new clutch shop build this clutch and maybe it is more than they can handle!

Posted By: AC200Puller
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 6:25pm

Run a 4 pad and a heavy spring setup it will stick just fine . When I watched you pull I would have put money on the foot clutch as there was smoke coming from the flywheel housing.

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 6:51pm

After the farm show pull I pulled the clutch out and there was oil on the clutch, throw out bearing was out along with the pilot bearing. I took everything to a clutch shop and told them to make it bullet proof. The resurfaced the flywheel new springs on pressure plate and new 4 pad disc. I ran it on the farm for a few hours to get some use on the clutch before my next pull. We pulled 2 days ago and as soon as it gets a load, about 3/4 of the way down the track the tractor makes a pop and loses drive. After it slows down a touch it bites again and tries to go. Does the same in low and high. I have tried the pto trick with the power director and the pto will slow down as the engine lugs but won't stop. The tractor doesn't try to spin the tires either. I'm going to split it tomorrow and keep digging until I find something!

Posted By: O.P.S. Heads
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 7:47pm

Do you have any video of this run? Not that that would help diagnose what your issue is, but it might help.

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 9:12pm

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/MElliott5511/IMG_0576.mp4%5D%5BIMG%5Dhttp://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b44/MElliott5511/th_IMG_0576.mp4%5B/IMG%5D%5B/URL%5D

Posted By: Beirnesy
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 9:32pm

http://s16.photobucket.com/user/MElliott5511/media/IMG_0576.mp4.html" rel="nofollow - http://s16.photobucket.com/user/MElliott5511/media/IMG_0576.mp4.html

Nice looking XT btw

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1969 220,1967 190DXT,1968 190DXT, LGT's 710,,716

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 10 Mar 2015 at 9:35pm

I can't figure it out. I used copy and paste

Posted By: DougG
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 4:14am

Wheres the oil coming from ? Rear seal ?

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 9:13am

Oil was coming from rear seal. The guy I bought the tractor from had the seal in backwards.

Posted By: Dswall
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 10:19am

Split tractor today and main clutch looks great. No wear or hot spots. Flywheel measures 1.47

Posted By: DrAllis
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 10:38am

1.437 " or less....not 1.47

Posted By: injpumpEd
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 10:41am

Dang Dustin, too much power! Like Dr says, if the step is machined wrong(too tall in this case), that will not clamp it worth a crap!

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210 "too hot to farm" puller, part of the "insane pumpkin posse". Owner of Guenther Heritage Diesel, specializing in fuel injection systems on heritage era tractors. stock rebuilds to all out pullers!

Posted By: Ronnie
Date Posted: 11 Mar 2015 at 11:12am

I can't pull up video