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    Posted: 01 Feb 2010 at 7:32am
I'm looking at buying a new F150 and I'd appreciate input from current owners.  Most of my miles are highway.  All I pull is a 16.5' aluminum boat and my allis tractors to shows on a car hauler. Biggest is a D17.  I'm looking at a 2010 XLT, reg. cab, 8' box, 2WD.  I'm thinking of getting the 4.6 3-valve engine w/6-speed auto and 3:31 gears.  Book says towing capacity is 8,000 lbs.   Any feedback on mileage, reliability, likes & disllike, and, of course, plain old opinions :) would be appreciated.  Thanks..
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If you want better mileage, go with a Chevy or GMC. I've had both Ford  & GM and am sticking with GM and haven't had any problems at all, and I pull large trailers.  Ofcourse if you want to get to your destinations faster buy a Toyota....LOL
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I have a 98 with 4.6 2 valve engine, 5 speed manual. It had little low end torque, took starting in first gear even unloaded with the factory 3.08 gears. While the automatic was rated at 6000 pounds towing, the manual was rated at only 2200 pounds towing or 6400 pounds GCWR. It has had 4.10 gears for the last 90,000 miles which did not change the gas mileage (unless driven over 75) and now I rate it at 9900 GCWR or 4700 pounds trailer and I have weighed truck a wagon at 11,000 pounds over the scale once. Unloaded it starts out fine in second gear and will slip a tire if pushed in second gear.

The torque converter of the automatic gets another 2:1 ratio not available in the manual transmission, so that 3.31 will probably work OK. Just its a high speed engine with little low speed torque. But mine has a HP peak at 4700 rpm and was geared for 2500 rpm at 65. It was being lugged.

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I had a '97 and a '00 F150 with the 4.6.  Gas mileage was a bit of a disappointment and power was not impressive.  Friends of mine with the 5.4 got about the same mileage and had lots more power.  Also I heard at that time anyway that the 4.6L had an even lighter duty trans than the 5.4....not sure if that is true.  Biggest problem I had with the trucks was hauling any weight at all really put the back end low.  My '00 had the trailer towing package and that didn't help.  Brakes weren't all that great either.
Went to a Super Duty and haven't looked back, I wouldn't have a half ton anything anymore.  Everything on the Super Duty is built heavier - suspension, axles, trans etc. it's like a real truck.
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I think you'll be very disappointed with 3.31 gears.  I would go with 3.73 or lower ratio.  I have also heard the 5.4 gets nearly the same mileage with alot more power.
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Owned a ford once.  That was enough of that.  Owned three chevys since.  Other than brake problems, pretty good trucks.  Bil
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I've got a '97 shortbox with the Triton 4.6 small V8(only 60,000 mles on truck). Overall I'm happy.I don't care about MPG if towing a heavy load as NOTHING will give you both! It is light on the brakes, I'd be sure to have good working trailer brakes if hauling more than 1,000#.You may want to consider the bigger V8,mybe superduty(3/4 ton) for better brakes ?
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I work for a local water plant we have both Ford and GM. I like the ford seats but they ride like a log wagon GMs ride better and burn less gas a lot less. It is interesting to watch but I have noticed when people leave in the morning the Fords are always choose last even though they are newer. Most would rather have A GM but we get the lowest bidder. Both have there own problems but the poor mileage on the Fords is the main complaint.
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I agree, buy a Tundra.  I have a 2000 and would never buy anything else.   Built in Indiana.   May be built in TX now, I believe they moved that factory.

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Freewheelin I learned along time ago, go bigger than what you think you'll ever need. I'd get at least a 3/4 ton with bigger motor and brakes. These trucks are built alot heavier and it will pay off in the long run. There may be a difference in price but to me it is wotrth it.
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The three quarter ton work truck is the cheapest any maker sells today. And the only one that can be had with a manual transmission in some makes.

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The one thing I really don't like about the new F150's, the bed depth. Yeah, it looks cool but it sucks to get something out of it because of how high they are.  And if you ever want to tow a gooseneck trailer, you love it when the trailer smashes the high sides.  
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You guys are comparing the new F150 with the 97-03 generation! There isn't a part interchangeable between the two and are two totally different trucks! My 04 was the toughest truck i have yet to drive. I pull a 22ft flatbed and a could cruise 75 on the interstates with two tractors on board. The way that truck was equipped, it was better than a super duty. I run circles around my dads 97 with the first gen 5.4. There is no comparison to the new f150's. If i was you, I would get the 5.4 with 3.73 gears and the tow pkg. This way you will get pulling power with economy and you will enjoy it. And for you Government Motors guys he is wanting Ford opinions.
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My dad has a 97 2wd with a 4.6 and an automatic on the farm, it rides good, has decent power for a half ton, and it is as tough as nails. The truck has 220,000 miles and all we put in it is brakes, alternatorand serpintine belt, oh and a seat. it gets about 17 mpg empty.  It as firestone ride rite air bags on the back and it has been used like a 3/4 ton as long as we have had it. i strongly sugest putting  a set of air bags under it, its easy, fairly cheap, and makes pulling trailer much safer.  My dad likes driving it better than his super duty.
I would say it sounds like a good way to go for what you are going to use it for, tundra's are nice trucks but they are a lot more money. 
Thats my 2 cents worth anyway.
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Yah the late Ford F-150 have been put up on stilts like a 4x4 even when 2wd. So people that do not play center for a professional basketball team need a ladder to get to the bed and maybe to the cab. I like the size of my 98 much better. I hope it runs another decade or two.

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My wife has an 06 Ford F150 extended cab short box 2 wheel drive with 3.55? gear ratio and the 4.6 liter engine.  It is her work truck that she gets to drive home, fairly stripped down, power nothing.  I think all it has is cruise and air conditioning.  She drives alot of miles with it and has 131000 miles on it so far.  All I can remember going wrong on it so far is front ball joints and I believe it was an intake manifold gasket which went bad and was leaking coolant into the engine.  Other then that just brakes, oil changes and tires.  She does mostly highway miles driving with it from rock quarry to rock quarry and then drives around the quarry bumping and bouncing around getting stone samples(hence why it needed ball joints already).   Her work has a fleet service that keeps track of her mileage and I think the last time she checked she got the best mileage in her fleet with an average of 16.5 for the life of the vehicle.  We don't do any towing with it at all as it didn't come with a trailer hitch so it has been mostly hauling around us on the weekends and stone samples during the week with anywhere from nothing to 7-800 lbs. of stone samples in the back.  It's been a very good truck I think.  Her company buys nothing but Ford trucks.  They run around like what she does for the first 3-4 years, then she hands it down to one of her other employees to collect stone samples, then once it gets up in the 200K plus range, they put them in the quarries just to drive around until they die.  I bought a 94 from there once with the iron duke straight six.  Silent bidding, I got it for 200 bucks.  Drove it as our farm truck and to do sidejobs with for about two years, and then sold it for 1000 to a neighbor down the road.  He drives past every Saturday to go to the dump and honks and waves as it's still going strong.  As far as I'm concerned, Ford knows how to build a truck.   
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I work for a Ford/Chevy dealer. At least he isn't considering a 6.0 or 6.4 diesel. Anybody who would buy one of those needs their head examined. Other than that, there are 2 kinds of Ford trucks. The first have had ball joints put in them, and the rest that need ball joints put in them. Pretty much can plan on replacing them between 50K to 75K.
A 4.6 is not a trailer towing engine choice that I would make. The 5.4 would be a much better choice. Both more HP and mileage go to the GM trucks.
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Originally posted by Brian Jasper co. Ia Brian Jasper co. Ia wrote:

Other than that, there are 2 kinds of Ford trucks. The first have had ball joints put in them, and the rest that need ball joints put in them. Pretty much can plan on replacing them between 50K to 75K.
 
I wouldn't say that my 98 F-150 4X4 has the originals (knock on wood) with 168,000 miles and it is even driven through fields and on trails often, but between me and my dad (dad owned truck until 100,000) we grease everything on the front every 3000 miles since new either thru grease zerks or with a needle.  Although I know where you are coming from most people don't even relize they are bad they just here the squeak up front and keep driving


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my reply would be that there is a special thread in this forum for topics such as this
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Originally posted by Freewheelin Freewheelin wrote:

I'm looking at buying a new F150 and I'd appreciate input from current owners.  Most of my miles are highway.  All I pull is a 16.5' aluminum boat and my allis tractors to shows on a car hauler. Biggest is a D17.  I'm looking at a 2010 XLT, reg. cab, 8' box, 2WD.  I'm thinking of getting the 4.6 3-valve engine w/6-speed auto and 3:31 gears.  Book says towing capacity is 8,000 lbs.   Any feedback on mileage, reliability, likes & disllike, and, of course, plain old opinions :) would be appreciated.  Thanks..
 
Well so much from feedback from current owners like you were looking for.
Maybe check online at JD Powers & Associates, Consumer reports, Car & Driver
for current model independent reviews.
 
As a Ford owner and driver, i depend on my truck every day to take me
another mile hauling.
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in the last two years.
 
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 I manage fleet vehicles and use both Ford and GM. Both have their problems. Both have their strong points. As far as the F-150s go,the new ones aren't the hauling trucks of the past,but if thats what you are looking for ,go with a larger engine with the factory tow package. That will give you the pulling power you are looking for and the fuel mileage won't change much. We have actually seen on our trucks that stay loaded all of the time that the larger engine uses less fuel. The smaller engine has to work harder to do the same job. It sounds like you are looking for a truck to ride in most of the time and just haul/pull occasionally. If so the new F-150 is for you.

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Spend a little extra and go with a Cummins (DODGE) I have went through 4 of them and cant wear them out. 1 st one had 26x,xxx miles and hauled whatever I could get on gooseneck. Its still going only major work was a clutch when it had 205,000 miles. Just my two cents.
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Originally posted by mark-east-tn mark-east-tn wrote:

Spend a little extra and go with a Cummins (DODGE) I have went through 4 of them and cant wear them out. 1 st one had 26x,xxx miles and hauled whatever I could get on gooseneck. Its still going only major work was a clutch when it had 205,000 miles. Just my two cents.
 
What do you mean spend a little extra? I bet that on two trucks equipped the same their would only be $1-200 difference. My uncle bought a new dodge 2500 because it was cheaper than a F-250 equipped the exact same and he gets A-plan on fords.
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Brian, whats wrong with the 6.4?
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Brian, whats wrong with the 6.4?
Poor fuel economy is the main complaint from what I have heard other than that they seem better than the 6.0 but thats not saying much.
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Must be something wrong with them if Ford is dumping Powerjoke I mean Stroke.
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Ford is dumping International Navistar for failing to payout 50/50 on 6.0 waranty claims like contract said, Powerstroke name is owned by ford and is going to be carried over to the 6.7 ford built engine
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I had an 05 F150 supercrew new, 5.4 auto, 3.55 gear, I think it had a 7800 lb towing capacity. It was a great truck, the only thing I would have changed was the gears to 3.73. I towed tractors, 4 sleds to the hunting camp, down the the snowmobile trail. I even surprised a lot of guys at the pulls. I put a K&N filter in it, and should have put an aftermarket muffler on it. I put 265x70x17 mud tires on it when we first got it, and that hurt the mileage a bit. On a long hiway trip, 1000 + miles in the snow and rain, with the mud tires it got 19.5 MPG. It would average 18. Now that is imperial gallons. When the lease was up we turned it back in and leased a Honda Ridgeline for my wife, so I could get a 1 ton. Still wish I had it back. I would not go with the 3.31 gears if you are going to haul anything. Just my experience and .02.
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Nothing to do with the original post but, I hope Ford doesn't do to itself what they did to Navistar when the 7.3 was due to be replaced. I know a guy that was an engineer for Nav. at the time. He said Nav. people told Ford people the new engine wasn't ready for production. There were problems that needed to be worked out. Ford sayed "this engine will go in such and such truck at this time, period. And so it was. Rather than fix the bugs, Ford insisted on following a timeline set up by the Knowitall upper eschelon. Over time maybe they realized what BAD business was because it sure hurt Ford dealing with the recent troubles in the diesel market. 
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I have two 6.4's that need high pressure fuel pumps as we speak. I think they might have fixed the head gasket problems, egr cooler problems, and turbo problems, but the high pressure pumps tend to shred themselves and ruin all of the injectors. Radiators leak too. The good news is it took 3hrs to raise the cab on the first one I did. I'm down to an hour to raise a cab now. One of the owners was complaining that it was taking so long to get his truck fixed. Ford is the main problem there as they require prior approval on all of the large diesel problems and have tied up both trucks I have for 10 days so far without giving an answer. My response was, "How many Duramax's do you see in here?" When they do come in, 99.9% are oil and filter changes. Clogged filters on them just make them run poor. Clogged filters on Fords usually take injectors and pumps out.
They all have their problems, Ford just seems to have a monopoly on the ones that require a tow truck.
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