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Brian G. NY 
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 Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 12:36pm |
OK...........Say I want to put the newer filter housings that accept the PH8A filters on my WD and WD-45. Sure would save a few bucks on filter changes!!
As I understand it, the old type filters provide sufficient resistance to keep the oil pressure up and maybe the PH8A pleated paper filters flow too freely?
Is it possible to put some kind of restrictor in the line to achieve adequate oil pressure?
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 1:32pm |
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Where would the savings be? I can buy 3 C159 for the price of 2 PH8A's at Farm and Fleet.
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 1:52pm |
I guess I will say that all of the Fram filters I cut open a few months back were their standard line and not the HP1 Mitch is talking about. They are poorly constructed at best. Cut open a Wix or a Purolator and you WILL see a profound difference.
Nothing against Steve and Mitch, but cut them open and see for yourself. The HP1's may be different, the regular ones are poorly made compared to Wix or Purolator. Champion Labs filters are even slightly better constructed.
The same can be said for aftermarket air filters such as K&N. They may flow more air than a stock paper filter, but they also let alot more dirt through. Probably ok for a race engine, but definitely not a good choice for something you want to live long term.
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BStone
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 2:11pm |
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Thats why there is always several different brands of merchandise.We will never all agree 100 % on anything.Fram makes the cheapest filter that I know of on the market.Cheap in price and cheap in quality.
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Ed (Ont)
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 2:35pm |
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Sounds just like the Champion plug is no good deal all over again!
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Brian G. NY
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 4:54pm |
 CTuckerNWIL wrote:
Where would the savings be? I can buy 3 C159 for the price of 2 PH8A's at Farm and Fleet. |
Not in this part of the world!!
I can buy 3 FL1A Motocrafts at Wallyworld for the price of 1 C-159 Fram at tractor Supply!
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Brian Jasper co. Ia
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 5:17pm |
Ed (Ont) wrote:
Sounds just like the Champion plug is no good deal all over again! |
In my time at a Chrysler dealer I replaced many Champion plugs for misfire concerns under warranty. I have never replaced any AC Delco or Motorcraft plugs under warranty for misfire concerns. The only AC Delco plugs I have replaced were fouled caused by restricted catalyst and not a defect in the plug itself as is common with Champions.
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NickT(Ky)
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:18pm |
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I used to race a 69 Z-28 years ago. The guy I got it from ran champion plugs. I switched to motorcraft and got faster times and fewer fowl-outs. I don't know just sayin..... Steve, I operate one of those 55' bucket trucks, and believe when I tell ya that I appreciate the maint. that is done on my truck because when mother-nature is at her worst, we have to be at our best. Nick
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Coke-in-MN
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:45pm |
On my HD5 it uses a bypass filter which is outside of the engine std lube system but uses a ofice to limit the oil flowing to the filter. So the restriction in the line or backpressure of system is controlled (same as it would be in the AC filter) by this orfice.
When I changed filter to a PH8 filter I made a filter housing and made my own restrictor to also control the flow and pressure.
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 12 Jun 2011 at 8:49pm |
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I think a Fram looks the best. Orange right out of the box so ya don't have to paint them.
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Brian G. NY
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:16am |
Coke,
What did you use for a restrictor?
Somewhere around my place, I have a Ford remote oil filter housing that I think I could adapt.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:29am |
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Thad, The Fram C-159 filters are white.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:33am |
Now with that said, come on guys keep it going.
This is fun reading.
I can't find the funnies from the paper yesterday so this will have to do.
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Steve in NJ
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:45am |
Nick T,
Amen to that brother!! IBEW Local 327
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:04am |
Unbelievable !!!!!!!
HOW much of a run can you get for something that was originally a glass jar stuffed with waste cotton ?
wasnt life so much simpler then ?
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 9:36am |
A simple question was asked about the part number of a filter. Some chimed in on what they thought may be a better filter for the tractor while others defended their choices. Then the post goes to sparkplugs and cost savings. But the one that amazes me is buying a filter for your tractor because it's the right color, or not. WOW, that will help keep a tractor running for a LONG time!
I joined this site for serious info on old tractors, related implements, and their restoration thinking others were like minded but with replies like these I may be mistaken and see why some find them funny. For me having to read thru all this fluff is tedious and a waste of time just to get to the intent of the original post. Most likely I will be better served sticking to manuals and old tractor magazines.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 10:06am |
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Just good discussion,lol!
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 12:53pm |
Now you guys have got me confused as to what filters to buy with all this excellent feedback. It's kind of like which oil is best to use.
I am getting ready to order filters, all three types (fuel, oil, & hydraulic) for my D17 D Series IV. Could anybody point me in the right direction?
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 1:05pm |
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Go to nearest Allis Dealer and buy yer filters!!!
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 1:07pm |
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Bob, that's the funniest reply yet. My nearest Allis dealer is 2 states away.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:36pm |
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I've got some KERR canning pint jars and Excess cotton scraps maybe I should make some. Ya think I need a plate or sumtin to keep the cotton in?
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:40pm |
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Bob, I'm building a time travel machine.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:45pm |
mdtractormechanic, We have fun here.
Sometimes too much fun.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 4:53pm |
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mdtractormechanic, You posted: For me having to read thru all this fluff is tedious and a waste of time just to get to the intent of the original post.
The question was answered in the first reply.
You should of stopped there.
Proceed at your own risk.
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Jeff Z. NY
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 5:05pm |
I use Fram Filters because my mother told me to.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 5:10pm |
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Here is my thoughts....most of the old tractors out there that haven't recently been torn down, all cleaned out and rebuilt are full of gunk from years of non detergent oil and just plain wear. They most most likely would run just same for many more years if they had no filtration at all and just got an oil change once in in a while. So in my mind the filter debate it mute.
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Thad in AR.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 7:14pm |
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Boy did I make a fool of my self. The only fram filters i've seen were for cars and trucks from wally world. I use NAPA because they have them in town and gas is to high to make a long trip some other place. Are the napa filters ok now. The ones I've bought in the past looked like the correct one in the pic. Maybe I should just order a dozen and not need to go to town at all.
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 7:28pm |
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I buy them from Agco. Price aint to bad and they have the pretty AC logo on them. It just seems like putting icing on the cake. They look great on a AC tractor. Ryan BTW, how many other AC brothers will carry this post out another 100 or so?? LOL
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Posted: 13 Jun 2011 at 8:08pm |
Thad in AR. wrote:
Boy did I make a fool of my self. The only fram filters i've seen were for cars and trucks from wally world. I use NAPA because they have them in town and gas is to high to make a long trip some other place. Are the napa filters ok now. The ones I've bought in the past looked like the correct one in the pic. Maybe I should just order a dozen and not need to go to town at all. |
Order them from Steve @ B&B. He usually has en for a good price and if you buy several they are even better priced.
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