new roof, not

gets even better...

guy next door sells car parts, this guy comes to buy stuff, turns out he's a roofer, asks if I need the roof finished !

man it was all I could do to not tell him the real story....

3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

At this point you have been more than patient with the whole bad situation. I would let the wife know that if it's not finished in the next week that you will get someone else to finish it. Enough is enough.

1957 WD45 dad's first AC

1968 one-seventy

1956 F40 Ferguson

her son , the contractor, 'walks on water', can do no wrong, I'm the step dad so I can't win no matter what..

it'll just be interesting to see what event happens before the roof is finished.

hmm... out thanksgiving has come and gone.

halloween is soon,

Christmas is round the corner.....

at least I can blow off some steam here

thanks guys

Jay

3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

Jay I understand and at the same time you must really love her to want to keep peace in the family that badly. Have you tried to gently nudge her into calling him to finish the roof? Or get another contractor to finish it and never mention it again.

I don’t think that’s what I’d call it.

Sorry to read this Jay, I try to NOT or to avoid use of Friends or relatives for work around my place, if I cannot afford to hire someone and I can do it I do it, if I am afraid to do it as may get mashed I feed money into the savings to pay someone to do it, but NOT friend or relative, not worth the angst.

No money up front - or for materials only - then a paid receipt or lien waver when paid .
Working for relatives - have done it and had good results - now neighbor stiffed me for 3 loads of black dirt - and spreading it so he could sell place - was going to pay as soon as sold - moved during the night-

Faith isn't a jump in the dark. It is a walk in the light. Faith is not guessing; it is knowing something.
"Challenges are what make life interesting; overcoming them is what makes life meaningful."

I am being real nosy,so don't answer if I am being too snoopy. Was it yours before the wife come along or is something you got together?

My idea of a hint would be some water dripping on her in the middle of the night,from the roof that is not there.

Oh Coke at least he is gone. I was so dum I went back for seconds Embarrassed

. A "actor" about the quality of the "contractor" hung me out for 2 or 3 years to get $3000. So 30 years go by and he calls and wants more work done, I said I remembered last time an he slammed the phone down. Thumbs Up

All right. No he keeps calling Angry

so i said to me, a short day he never pays for will keep him away Wink

. But darn if he doesn't Clap

pay. So I end up planting 15 acres of hay 3 or 4 years and get payed. Thumbs Up

Well now 3 years since I planted the last crop ant payed for it yet and he still calls when I will plant him more Angry

. He keeps telling me he will send the money, yes as soon as pigs fly. I hear he is selling, but one jerk leaves and a bigger one moves in so thing could get worse. Ouch

So Jay

you ant the only sucker out there.

Edited by Ray54 - 13 Oct 2018 at 5:25pm

I'm kinda happy, but sad, that I'm NOT the only one in the boat....sigh.

Wife doesn't see anything wrong though EVERYONE else can.... dbl sigh.

We bought this house in 84, paid it off in 3 years,yeesh I've spent half my life with her in this house,me without a paycheck, made ends meet , even took out a 100K line of credit( I'm about 820 in the FICO score up here ) , he's zip, she's maybe a 500 ?...so 'he' could buy a 'flip house'..hmm that was 8 years ago...still ain't flipped.

Man I should right a book about the 'adventures'.

Her daughter turned out great though.....

supposed to get frost tonight...

oh well... life goes on

Jay

3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

Jay, probably throwing salt in a wound but I came back from town around 9:00 yesterday morning and a roofing crew had neighbor's house stripped down to the decking, around 5:00 they were putting on the final touches and cleaning up. Part of this roof was 2 story and 12/12 pitch. Looks like they did a good job.

Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.

Day 56, yes Fifty Six, yawn..... it's official... FROST on the roof, yet another milestone for the project ! OK, a very,very light frost.. whew, Shamless was kind to me !

Guess I'll go rototill the giant pumkin patch this morning,maybe level the 'drain tiling' I installed 2 weeks ago, then tidy up the 20 yards of prime pony poop I got yesterday,put away all the summer furniture then go have lunch with a friend. Seems there's no end of jobs I can get done while 'others' twiddle their thumbs.

Jay

3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

update:

Another milestone...

SEVENTY FIVE DAYS !

Yes, that's correct 75 days and it's still not done....

We've had 4+ inches of rain in the past 2 weeks( thanks Shameless for the 'mild' not 'wild' setting' !!).

He's going on another holiday this week, to Mexico , again...that'l be 5 trips this year, that I know of...

Oh well....

Now the bet is which'll come first 100 days or (shh) SNOW ??

Jay

3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

no passport... besides if I left, who knows what would 'go missing'.....

been to Mexico, florida, St. Kitts, Dom Reb.

I'm not a 'lay in the sun fun' kinda guy..rather be turning wrenches, fixin stuff.

Fortunately the north roof of the garage doesn't leak,so for me the job isn't important, it's their attitude that he's mr. perfect.. I've got LOTS of hobbies to keep myself from selfdestructing over this,life's too short.

It'll just be interesting to see when (if ?) the roof gets done !

Jay

3 D-14s,A-C forklift, B-112
Kubota BX23S lil' TOOT( The Other Orange Tractor)

Never burn your bridges, unless you can walk on water

It would be more fun if it was the neighbors shop and not yours. All in all you are a better man than me.

[QUOTE=jaybmiller

I found 2 nice orange cones to remind me NOT to hit the skid of shingles with snowblower !

I blew snot out of my nose when I read this

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	gets even better... guy next door sells car parts, this guy comes to buy stuff, turns out he's a roofer, asks if I need the roof finished ! man it was all I could do to not tell him the real story....
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	So why didn't you say YES?

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	At this point you have been more than patient with the whole bad situation. I would let the wife know that if it's not finished in the next week that you will get someone else to finish it. Enough is enough.
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	I wouldn't wait a week I would have gotten that guy and said finish it

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	her son , the contractor, 'walks on water', can do no wrong, I'm the step dad so I can't win no matter what.. it'll just be interesting to see what event happens before the roof is finished. hmm... out thanksgiving has come and gone. halloween is soon, Christmas is round the corner..... at least I can blow off some steam here thanks guys Jay
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	I had an ex who thought that of her kids --and they still live with her, both in their mid '30s. Best thing she ever did was inherit some money and left!! I too was always the bad guy.

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	Jay I understand and at the same time you must really love her to want to keep peace in the family that badly. Have you tried to gently nudge her into calling him to finish the roof? Or get another contractor to finish it and never mention it again.

jaybmiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24250	Post Options Post Reply Quote jaybmiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 13 Oct 2018 at 6:08am
	re: gently nudge her I dare not open my mouth... but.. I did clear away everything around the friggin skid of roofing stuff so she sees and walks by several times everyday. I call that a subtle hint ? re: new roofer Hmm, I paid $3000 UP FRONT, for a $2500 ONE DAY job and I'm not about to pay out a 2nd time, beside there'd be hell to pay from her, as her golden boy can't do no wrong... I KNOW I'm in a 'no win' scenario..... Jay
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	I don’t think that’s what I’d call it.

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	me either!

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	Sorry to read this Jay, I try to NOT or to avoid use of Friends or relatives for work around my place, if I cannot afford to hire someone and I can do it I do it, if I am afraid to do it as may get mashed I feed money into the savings to pay someone to do it, but NOT friend or relative, not worth the angst.

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	That's $3,000 up front and another $3,000 to finish, that's how they work it (for mommy to fund them) they think they are pulling the wool over your eyes. That has been my experience.
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	No money up front - or for materials only - then a paid receipt or lien waver when paid . Working for relatives - have done it and had good results - now neighbor stiffed me for 3 loads of black dirt - and spreading it so he could sell place - was going to pay as soon as sold - moved during the night-
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	Totally understand where your coming from Stan. Good Luck

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	I am being real nosy,so don't answer if I am being too snoopy. Was it yours before the wife come along or is something you got together? My idea of a hint would be some water dripping on her in the middle of the night,from the roof that is not there. Oh Coke at least he is gone. I was so dum I went back for seconds. A "actor" about the quality of the "contractor" hung me out for 2 or 3 years to get $3000. So 30 years go by and he calls and wants more work done, I said I remembered last time an he slammed the phone down. All right. No he keeps calling so i said to me, a short day he never pays for will keep him away. But darn if he doesn't pay. So I end up planting 15 acres of hay 3 or 4 years and get payed. Well now 3 years since I planted the last crop ant payed for it yet and he still calls when I will plant him more. He keeps telling me he will send the money, yes as soon as pigs fly. I hear he is selling, but one jerk leaves and a bigger one moves in so thing could get worse. So Jay you ant the only sucker out there. Edited by Ray54 - 13 Oct 2018 at 5:25pm

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	Not a relative story, but a sorta neighbor. Mowed his lawn all season, last half he don't pay for... Sent him bills all winter, no response. Next spring he calls me again, I ask about the $400 tab, from last year, he says I'll pay it, I say OK, I ll cut it again, this year, just have a check ready for me. I show up, cut 2 rounds around the lawn, and a diagonal slash through the center, knock on door, get check, load mower, high-tail it to the bank, and deposit it. A week later I gets the final call from him, asking if my mower had broke down, or something. I told him, No, everything is fine...

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	I'm kinda happy, but sad, that I'm NOT the only one in the boat....sigh. Wife doesn't see anything wrong though EVERYONE else can.... dbl sigh. We bought this house in 84, paid it off in 3 years,yeesh I've spent half my life with her in this house,me without a paycheck, made ends meet , even took out a 100K line of credit( I'm about 820 in the FICO score up here ) , he's zip, she's maybe a 500 ?...so 'he' could buy a 'flip house'..hmm that was 8 years ago...still ain't flipped. Man I should right a book about the 'adventures'. Her daughter turned out great though..... supposed to get frost tonight... oh well... life goes on Jay
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	Have dealt with relatives on a few jobs and so far have not had a problem. Needed a crankshaft replaced in the Hindu Ford and got a distant cousin who has his own shop to fix it. Told him up front "you charge me just like you would any other customer and get it done like you would one of your other customers." Everything went well.
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	Jay, probably throwing salt in a wound but I came back from town around 9:00 yesterday morning and a roofing crew had neighbor's house stripped down to the decking, around 5:00 they were putting on the final touches and cleaning up. Part of this roof was 2 story and 12/12 pitch. Looks like they did a good job.
	Just an old country boy saved by the grace of God.

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	Prayers for you Stan, may your wife open her eyes and get it moving.

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	Day 56, yes Fifty Six, yawn..... it's official... FROST on the roof, yet another milestone for the project ! OK, a very,very light frost.. whew, Shamless was kind to me ! Guess I'll go rototill the giant pumkin patch this morning,maybe level the 'drain tiling' I installed 2 weeks ago, then tidy up the 20 yards of prime pony poop I got yesterday,put away all the summer furniture then go have lunch with a friend. Seems there's no end of jobs I can get done while 'others' twiddle their thumbs. Jay
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	"I dare not open my mouth" OR ELSE WHAT?!?!?!!! My wife and I are equals. Yet, if one is doing something that's totally stupid or wasting money or both, the other has every right to have a WTF come to Jesus moment with the other. It ain't always pleasant, but it blows over. Are you in a marriage, or an indentured servitude??? I just don't get all the sighs and hand wringing.....Sorry, I know I'm abrasive as all get out on this, but SHEESH!!!

jaybmiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24250	Post Options Post Reply Quote jaybmiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 6:55am
	update: Another milestone... SEVENTY FIVE DAYS ! Yes, that's correct 75 days and it's still not done.... We've had 4+ inches of rain in the past 2 weeks( thanks Shameless for the 'mild' not 'wild' setting' !!). He's going on another holiday this week, to Mexico , again...that'l be 5 trips this year, that I know of... Oh well.... Now the bet is which'll come first 100 days or (shh) SNOW ?? Jay
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	Probably summer. I think I would just go rent a room to stay at from someone. If the wife (?) asked about it, I'd tell her I couldn't stand to watch my blood, sweet, tears, and investment be ruined like this in front of me. You have way way more patience than me. Each to his own but I could handle having a fight way better. Hey! Take a vacation to Mexico by yourself on the sly and see if she even notices your gone. Aww just kiddin. Edited by chaskaduo - 06 Nov 2018 at 8:51am
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jaybmiller Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 24250	Post Options Post Reply Quote jaybmiller Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 06 Nov 2018 at 3:41pm
	no passport... besides if I left, who knows what would 'go missing'..... been to Mexico, florida, St. Kitts, Dom Reb. I'm not a 'lay in the sun fun' kinda guy..rather be turning wrenches, fixin stuff. Fortunately the north roof of the garage doesn't leak,so for me the job isn't important, it's their attitude that he's mr. perfect.. I've got LOTS of hobbies to keep myself from selfdestructing over this,life's too short. It'll just be interesting to see when (if ?) the roof gets done ! Jay
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	Yeah Mexico is nothing special. I to would rather wrench.
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	It would be more fun if it was the neighbors shop and not yours. All in all you are a better man than me.

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	update: well made it to day 78 and Shamless's machine tossed me them wet, white things....... I knew it'd be a long shot to make 100 days but oh well...at least the white is melting, for now, supposed to get real cold tonight. Hopefully will get an F150 air cleaner assy onto the forklift tomorrow, then a 'new' headline r into the truck,maybe finally rejigg the garage for a wee bit more room.. I found 2 nice orange cones to remind me NOT to hit the skid of shingles with snowblower ! Jay
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Red Bank Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 18 Apr 2018 Location: Germanton NC Points: 1051	Post Options Post Reply Quote Red Bank Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 10 Nov 2018 at 1:11pm
	[QUOTE=jaybmiller I found 2 nice orange cones to remind me NOT to hit the skid of shingles with snowblower ! I blew snot out of my nose when I read this