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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:06pm |
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Does anyone have a photo of a B or C on steel? I can't seem to find the ones that have been posted in the past. Thanks in advance.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:09pm |
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:18pm |
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:21pm |
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Thanks a bunch. I was hoping someone might post one of Bill's C.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:22pm |
This is on steel, but maybe not what you're looking for!
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:25pm |
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Now that's different! Thanks again.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:39pm |
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Not to be the correct police, but if you are looking for a true representation of a steel wheel B or C, those pictures show them with the incorrect fenders. Just something to remember.
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 9:59pm |
Here is one I saved from this forum. I believe it has the right fenders too. 
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 10:18pm |
That may be true for the pics, Mort, but if you look close, the first sketch posted actually has the correct fenders. Look real close...
Edited by GBACBFan - 24 Apr 2010 at 8:06am
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Posted: 23 Apr 2010 at 10:32pm |
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Looks like all but 1 (2 if you count the smooth drum roller one) have the correct fenders, and rear centers.
Edited by Darrell, Jr. (MN) - 23 Apr 2010 at 10:33pm
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 7:38am |
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That Construction B is definitely on steel! Rollers that is.... That is different!
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 7:53am |
I like looking at this one on a hot july day-------
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 8:04am |
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FWIW: Note that the C never used the wide fenders for steel wheels. The C shown above has the right fenders...
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 6:57pm |
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Thanks again guys. I've been entertaining the idea of trying to put together a B or C on steel to have something a little different. I think BillP-SE-MI's C started these thoughts... he bought a plow from my family to pull behind his. How rare are the steel wheels, and what have others paid for them?
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 7:07pm |
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Steve has the dual starter option for cold weather... LOL
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 7:16pm |
Here's Bill with the plow that I THINK he had just aquired at OPOP last year.
The front steel wheels aren't for those of us that are light in the wallet. A pair sold on Ebay a few weeks ago for $1300. The rears are much more affordable.
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 7:42pm |
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Yep, that's the plow. OliverShagnasty delivered it to Bill at the OPOP. Wow! that's quite a price for the fronts. How much more affordable are the rears?
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 7:45pm |
I think I saw a set within the last 6 months for $200 - $250, something like that. I have a great memory, but it's short.
Also note the rear hubs (wheel centers) fron the sketch, and from the pic Charlie posted. Note that it has four notches, and not just two opposite each other like the normal B's. These with the four notches are the correct wheel centers for the B on steel. These are harder to find, but I don't have a clue on price. I'll let one of the B experts weigh in on that one.
Edited by GBACBFan - 24 Apr 2010 at 7:50pm
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 8:18pm |
Rears run $600-800, but occasionally you find a set in the $300 range. Watch them though, the cheaper ones are sometimes missing lugs, and lugs are not easy to find in good shape, separated from the rim.
The 4 notch hubs are not all that expensive, but they weigh about twice the normal ones, so if there is hauling involved, the price goes up. The other thing to keep an eye on is the spline condition in the 4 notch hubs, I got a couple worthless wore-out ones I'd like to replace someday....
You may find front steel as cut-off's, and they can be re-rimmed, but that will set you back about as much as a good set.
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 8:35pm |
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Yup thats the one Bill bought!!! I was there when he tried hooking it up the first time! Took a little while but it finally fit in place!
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Posted: 24 Apr 2010 at 10:22pm |
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i should point out that the B in the winter photo above is not mine. it was posted here 4-5 years ago and i saved it for wall paper.!!
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 6:42am |
You know, that was my job during WWII. Attach the wheel lugs. They came in a wooden slatted box with the tractor on the flat car. Pop would come around and tighten them later.
Right after WWII the steel dissapeared and was replaced with rubber.
Thanks for posting. Even though I worked on them I forgot what they looked like.
Thanks for all the pictures.
Good Luck!
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 8:05am |
Bill:
Do you remember seeing more tractors with steel on the rear wheels and rubber tires up front? I suspect that this combination was perhaps more common than full steel. Without some "eyewitness" information I have no other reason to believe this than that steel front wheels are now much less common than steel rear wheels.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 8:13am |
I'd also like Bill to weigh in on this, 'cause he's our resident expert. If anyone knows, he will.
I've wondered if steel fronts are rare findings because the front spokes were easily cut off to install a rubber tired rim. It sure seems like there's a lot of cut offs available out there.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 11:44am |
Brett, Yes, it was very common to see the rubber fronts and the steel rears new. Seemed like they could find the rubber for fronts but not for rears. In fact rubber for rears was so valuable that Pop locked up up every night in the office section of the Dealership. I used to use it as my "submarine coning tower" - Mom didn't like it though - came out too dirty.
Yes, steel fronts are somewhat rare. In fact, after WWII what there was in steel fronts just plain disapeared. Nobody wanted them. It was cheap to buy a new front wheel for rubber and who would have thought the value now.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 12:19pm |
Bill:
Thanks for confirming my suspicion. It seems that today, tractors with steel rears and rubber fronts are considered to be "half-breeds" and are not considered to be "correct" for show purposes. While I am still fairly young (36) compared to some folks in this hobby, I can remember seeing plenty of these "half-breeds" as a boy and they seem to have disappeared as folks have begun restoring them.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 12:36pm |
Hey Murph, If ya need more pictures let me know. I just got back from the Le Sueur swap. That is one sight to see, it was my first time there, WOW!!
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 12:58pm |
Funny you talk about "half breeds". I was just flipping through "the Allis Chalmers story" by C.H. Wendel last night, and there are several photos and info on tractors with steel rears and rubber fronts. about page 311. Mentions that many farmers were too leery about going from horses to tractors to rubber tires all in a decade, so these factory half and half tractors were made to keep dealers, and ultimately farmers, happy by AC. So there is another reason for less steel fronts, other than war shortages.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2010 at 4:17pm |
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just wondering if the rear castings are different on the b's w/ steel . my b has steel w/ extenions , wide fenders, & tall air cleaner, but the rear wheels center castings seem to be the same as any other b. I have a set of wheel hubs off a c w/ steel & they are alot thicker than the regular c's.
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