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    Posted: 25 Mar 2023 at 6:20am
I am rebuilding the front axle on a WF. My local machine shop made me the new front pivot pin and king pins. There is a tapered part that goes through the king pins (to hold them in place) Both of mine are damaged (probably useable if I can't find any). I would like to find a pair, if possible. Does anyone have a pair they would sell or even a part number?

For some reason. I am having no luck with the online AGCO parts book.
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This one?
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Originally posted by Jim.ME Jim.ME wrote:

This one?

Yes, it is the # 16. 
Does anyone have a pair of #70200047 they would sell?
Thanks Jim !!!


Edited by WF owner - 25 Mar 2023 at 7:52am
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The original number was U-47
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Are you only using agco parts books or do you have the older parts book
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Most taper lock pins are made to a specific size... Most are 1/4 inch per foot taper.. If you know the length and the diameter of ONE END, then you can buy them on line.. Kind of like BOLTS... you dont make them, you BUY a standard size..

This is from McMaster Carr...... there are dozens of different sizes.
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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Originally posted by Mikez Mikez wrote:

Are you only using agco parts books or do you have the older parts book


I am using the link I always used. Shop AGCO Parts (agcocorp.com)

When I enter "Allis Chalmers", I get a listing of four power units.

If I enter "WF", I get a WC/WF Power Unit.

I do have a WF parts manual when I get home.
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If you can come up with the 6 digit part no. I may be able to cross reference it using my (rarely used) "DEALERS PARTS CATALOG and NUMERICAL INDEX for STANDARD PARTS"
Form S-10 Dated March 1965.
On page 108 there is a listing for "PIN-TAPER"
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I have very little experience with AGCO part numbers, but the AGCO # (according to Jim.Me's parts page) is 70200047. I believe the older part number would be 200047?
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Yes. My original parts book is U-47. I didn’t look in numerical book but my experience is all the U numbers Iv come across switches to a 20xxxx number to make six digit for that time period. Then when Deutz took over they added 7xxxxxxx to make 8digits which carries over to now. There’s some other variables but that’s what iv learned so far.
I believe Jim had a nice explanation in old allis few years back
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I found something interesting while going through my Allis "Numerical Index for STANDARD PARTS" manual.
For one thing, all of the part numbers in it are in the 90XXXX series.
Apparently, at some point, Allis began using the 90XXXX part numbers for all standard hardware parts used on their tractors. 
You will be amazed at how many 90XXXX part numbers show up in the various Allis Parts Manuals
Just for the heck of it, I looked up the part number for the tapered pin used in the control lever in the WD and WD-45 governors and it is 901357. I can find that in the "STANDARD PARTS" manual described as: Tapered Pin:  Dia. #0  Length: 3/4".

Having said all that, I guess what you are looking for is not simply a tapered pin but rather a tapered pin with threads and a nut on one end. I seem to remember that back in my younger days I saw many of them on old Fords that used king pins.
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those are readily available also...
Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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The Mcmaster taper pins shown use the nut to pull them.  They are commonly used to hold position of bearing housings and adjustable parts after alignment on machines like paper machines.  It might be what was used, but I wouldn't expect a pin that tightening the nut would loosen it from the axle, to be used to hold a kingpin.

Truck and other steering axles I am familiar with have flats or key type ridges on the lock pins/studs that mate with slots in the side of the kingpins.  The lock pins/studs may have threads with nuts that pull them in tight or may just drive in tight.  I would expect such to be holding the WF kingpins.
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The "taper pins" go through the housing and through the slot on the king pins (2 bottom pins of picture below) to hold them on place. The taper pins have a flat side that fits against the flat machined area of the king pins.

My neighbor that has a machine shop made these pins for me. The top is the front end pivot pin, that had no grease fitting (it does now!). The bottom are the new king pins. I think he did a great job!

I am going back out to the shop later tonight. I will take a picture of the taper pins and post them.
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Here's a picture of one of the taper pins.
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