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W12x40
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Oct 2024 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 16 |
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Posted: 21 Nov 2024 at 8:55am |
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My father gave me a tractor. The story is sad and sordid, so let’s pass that and get right to the tractor. I hauled it from beyond Columbus, OH back to the suburbs of Philly back in August. I’ve been telling my wife for years that I wanted an old tractor to work on and play with, and now I’ve got one. It is a 1953 Allis Chalmers CA with a narrow front end and was converted to 12V at some point. It has a snap-coupler there was a plow, but I had to abandon it. I’m sure I’ll regret that at some point. The starter is bad, the generator is bad, the hydraulics leak and I’m sure there are problems I haven’t found yet. It runs and drives, so that’s a huge start. I have the original owner’s manual, too. My son wants to be an electrician, he did some training at the local technical high school and now going to a trade school. He’s enthusiastic about it and this is a great way for us both to learn about about engines and hydraulics together. My wife is not so happy because the tractors sits in front of the garage door, sometimes immobile and I want to spend money on parts. My daughter, in her early teens, was excited at first, but then when she realized being a tractor girl in our area makes her an outlier at school, decided tractors are not cool. First, I bought a parts manual, shop manual and another copy of the owner’s manual so I could save the original. I had no idea old tractors were such a popular pastime. I even found a local outfit that does tractor starters and electrical systems that has a service to restore old tractors. For the paint, maybe, but I want to fix the workings myself. The fuel filter leaked a bit, so the first fix was to replace the gasket and screen. It was sort of a test to see how engaged the boy would be. He was all in, from taking they parts out of the box to cleaning up the tools at the end. I’ve been doing the research. This forum, other forums, youtube videos, blogs, etc. I had a wonderful conversation with Steve at B&B Custom Circuits and I’ve really enjoyed Sugarmaker’s thread on restoring his CA. My current task is the hydraulics. I have two reasons to select that before the electrical systems. One, I need to get that heavy snap coupler out of the garage. My wife complains about it because it is in the way and she can barely move it by herself. Second, since the transmission, differential and hydraulics use a shared oil pool, repairing that system keeps the tractor mobile so I can get it out of the way if need be. How do we get to the hydraulics? They’re under the deck plate! We removed the fenders and the deck, feeling along for what was still fastened and what came loose at each step. The fasteners are a mix of stuff. Out of ten bolts holding the fenders on, eight needed a 9/16” socket, but two needed a 3/4”. They all had square heads, too. I don’t like that, so I bought consistent SAE Grade 5 hardware. I’ll save the old bolts, but there’s only so many concessions to historicity I can make. We were also about three wrench sizes short, lacking the larger end of the spectrum. $100 on Craftsman large box-ends. The old hoses were orange and that was their one positive. The outer shield was deteriorated, the wire reinforcing was exposed and they had no swivel fittings. I ended up cutting one out. We didn’t realize that cutting a hydraulic hose, even a damaged one, was difficult. I tried a sawzall, bolt cutters and eventually went to a pair of big sidecutter pliers to finish the job. I should have gone for the angle grinder with a cutting wheel first. I plugged all the ports to keep the system clean. The mud and grease under the deck is tenacious stuff. We pressure washed, but that didn’t help much. I hit it with a wire brush and that still needed more elbow grease than I thought necessary. Scraping seemed to work best. The crud had been there so long the paint under it was a brighter shade of orange. When I get the hydraulics back together, I think I’ll take it to a detailer nearby and get them to hit it with their professional pressure washer and degreaser. Since we’re treating this as a learning experience, I’ve been sending the boy (he’s 18, but going to trade school and living at home, so I still call him that) to a hydraulics place near his school. He stops by after school, talks to the counter sales guy, and gets my parts. This is practice communicating technical information from a client to a professional in a different field. He did a really good job. I called the guy this morning too thank him for being patient with my son. They’ve been great – Penndel Hydraulics in Penndel, PA. We need nine quarts of hydro-trans fluid, but he only has five gallon increments. He helped the boy look for smaller quantities before selling him the bucket. The plungers for the rams are pitted at the end. The draw bar had been on so long and the ends of the plungers exposed for so long that they had damage. I bought a pair of seal kits, thinking that if they weren’t too bad, we’d do it. I thought a bit about that. The system is closer to 4000 psi than 3000psi and all that separates that pressure from my tender flesh is a piece of 1/8” steel. Let’s get professional help, I thought, so I asked Penndel for a professional opinion. The verdict was that repair wasn’t possible, they’d have to fabricate new plungers. Our use case is minimal – I’m not farming anything or using it for mowing. Given that and the type of seals required, their suggestion was to just repack it and go. They would last quite a while. There is one problem with this hydraulic system. Every fastener on the tractor is US Customary except two: the swivels on the hoses are 17mm. So we’re about $750 into a free tractor and we haven’t done the labor to put it back together. After this, we’ll start on the electrical systems.
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steve(ill)
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welcome to this site. Guys like stories like this. Sounds like you got a plan and moving along at a good pace ..... as you have found out, STEVE @ B&B is a great source for electrical and basic knowledge. Local Bearing and Hydraulic shops can help with parts as needed... Keep us informed !! Get a picture and post sometime..
some hydraulic hoses come from China, etc... They will have SAE threads for American use, but some do have require metric wrenches on the nuts.. Edited by steve(ill) - 21 Nov 2024 at 9:48am |
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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W12x40
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Oct 2024 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 16 |
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A couple of pictures. Tooling around before putting it on the trailer - the operator is a handsome devil!
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W12x40
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Oct 2024 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 16 |
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A side view of the engine.
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W12x40
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A view of the aft end with the deck off. we hadn't done any hydraulic work yet.
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Ray54
Orange Level Access Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Paso Robles, Ca Points: 4545 |
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You have a very nice start. To bad about your girl. Look up Chevron Delo oil company tractor restoration for high school students. It is part of the FFA program also, so look from that end too. It has been won by girls more than once.
As for hydraulic hose, a 4 inch angle grinder with a cut off wheel. Since you sound like you have a budget. So the cheap Harbor Freight ones do a lot for the price. But this day and age everybody wants Milwaukie or Dewalt 18 volt battery ones. Adding a cup brush is very handy for cleaning rust as well.
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W12x40
Bronze Level Joined: 01 Oct 2024 Location: Pennsylvania Points: 16 |
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That restoration contest is awesome. Thanks!
I've got the grinder, I just didn't have the cutoff wheels, only a grinder wheel. I have fixed that problem. Hopefully, I don't have to cut any hoses in the near future.
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mdm1
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Onalaska, WI Points: 2637 |
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And it starts! Always good to get a family tractor. That's how I started six tractors ago. Have fun with it and your son. Lot's of good people here that are more than willing to share their knowledge with you. Oh this is addicting and no medical insurance has any coverage to help you out. Good luck keep everyone posted on progress!
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Gary
Orange Level Access Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Peterborough,On Points: 5392 |
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Hi Steve C. A warm welcome to you and your son to the Allis Chalmers Forum. Most of the members here have a good working knowledge of Allis Chalmers Tractors and Equipment. You will find their knowledge invaluable. Regarding the purchase of needed Tools, I strongly recommend paying the $30 and getting a one year Membership at Harbor Freight. Their Pittsburgh Line of Tools are excellent quality, low priced, and am told they have a Lifetime Warranty. I visited H/F last Friday, was told they had a 3 day special sale for Members: a 30% discount for every Tool under $20. I picked up 4 sets of 3/8 drive Sockets @ 10 pc. per set (2 at $10, 2 at $13) along with some other Tools. My total discount was $35, $5 more than the Membership. Good luck on your future endeavour with your son. Gary PS if you haven't learned already, 'Fast Orange' is an excellent Hand Cleaner for cleaning up at the end of a day. |
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dirtysoil89
Bronze Level Joined: 21 Nov 2024 Location: Lynchburg misso Points: 1 |
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Me and my father have bought a 57 wd45 AC. We have not had any luck. No fire at all. I have replaced. Spark Plugs & Wires, coil, points and all in that area. checked all wires. Getting gas, no fire at all. Need help winter is coming and it's the only tractor I got.
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mdm1
Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Onalaska, WI Points: 2637 |
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Dirtysoil you might get more responses if you start your own thread! Just a suggestion.
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Everything is impossible until someone does it! WD45-trip loader 1947 c w/woods belly mower, 1939 B, #3 sickle mower 1944 B, 2 1948 G's. Misc other equipment that my wife calls JUNK!
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8293 |
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W12x40,
This is the bottom line. This is a family tractor, sell it and you may never get a chance to get it back! Now the Passion of the Persian Orange Syndrome. They can suck the life almost out of you and your wallet. But when completed they can put a smile on your face and be very rewarding! Some tractors take years to complete! My first family WD sat in one side of the two car garage for more than a year because of a part in the clutch that I did not want to buy. In some cases they could give you the tractor and $2000 and you still would not come out ahead! I like what I see in the pictures. You and your son are doing great! Several father son and daughter builds on the forum. Most take work time and money even if your going to leave them in their work clothes. Yes they get pretty dirty over the years! Try to set some soft goals, work on the project each day if possible. Ask a bunch of questions! Wait for the response. Take action. Move forward or at least sideways! Ok enough pep talk. One of my best resources on these old AC tractors, is Brenda at Sandy Lake Implement dealership. She worked on most of these tractors. Understands the tractors and the parts. There are others too. This forum and its members are very helpful. You came to the right place. Don't use my thread/s as much of a guide. I am not a CA expert. Not a expert in anything. My process is Clean, Refurb and Paint! I just like these old Orange tractors and the process of keeping them running and moving. I grew up riding on the tool boxes of WD and WD45's. As a kid I drove a plastic one a million miles in the sand box, while dad worked them in the fields and on the farm. Maybe someday one of my kids grand kids or great grand kids will have some fun with them? One can only hope. Looking forward to your updates on your CA! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
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Steve in NJ
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Andover, NJ Points: 11820 |
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Steve! Glad to see you made it here to the forum! The ole' CA looks great! That's a great start! Keep your son interested, and change your daughters mind. Would be fun for her as well. Her friends will get over it........ Keep in touch if you need any help with anything. You don't havta' buy anything. Information is still cheap here at B&B yet. LOL! Steve@B&B |
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39'RC, 43'WC, 48'B, 49'G, 50'WF, 65 Big 10, 67'B-110, 75'716H, 2-620's, & a Motorhead wife
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