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Ronnie 
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 Topic: Lift pump mounting on a 190xt
Posted: 28 Feb 2016 at 9:23am |
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Ok hear goes I'm geting my injectionpumped redone and I got to put a external lift pump on y o supply fuel. My question is any one on hear have pictures of ware they mounted there lift pump.
This is a belt driven pump
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2wise4agm
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Posted: 28 Feb 2016 at 4:13pm |
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Must be one serious lift pump if it has to be belt driven! I have an electric one hidden in the battery box.
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Ronnie
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Posted: 28 Feb 2016 at 4:41pm |
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The lift pump I going to run. will be pushing 150 to 250 psi to my new injection pump. I know that Outher people are runing these belt driven pumps just curious ware there mounting them.
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Posted: 28 Feb 2016 at 8:01pm |
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My buddies that run ih youse ac compressor bracket to mount there belt drive pumps. I use an electric pump and it and my water injection pump are in my right hand battery box. If that helps
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Posted: 28 Feb 2016 at 9:06pm |
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we used a barns pump driven by a shaft inserted into the hyd pump drive gear stuck in from the FRONT.
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Ronnie
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Posted: 29 Feb 2016 at 6:47am |
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Hay 7040 what's ur electric pump rated for. And what kinda price was ur lift pump. I'm kinda on a budget.
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Ronnie
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Posted: 29 Feb 2016 at 6:49am |
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Woops sorry I read that rong. I ment water pump. got to love smart phones.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2016 at 7:12am |
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I'll stop at the shop and look today I know I have set around 850 psi.
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DrAllis
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Posted: 29 Feb 2016 at 9:57am |
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The most popular method for driving a fuel supply pump (for the last 40 plus years) has been a small pump sticking out forward on the hydraulic pump drive. This shaft runs a bit above engine speed. It is important to have a pump size that meets the GPM/GPH of the injection pump setting and NOT be returning a huge amount back to the fuel tank, which aerates the fuel causing other problems. Never return the fuel into the top of the tank directly over the outlet of the tank...always off to the side.
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Posted: 29 Feb 2016 at 6:36pm |
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Always heard of this setup; would luv to see a pic of it
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Ronnie
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Posted: 29 Feb 2016 at 9:30pm |
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Thanks for the info Dr
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ACFarmer
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Posted: 01 Mar 2016 at 10:40am |
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My fuel pump is belt driven off the crank, hangs down below the crank and its in front of the engine. So the shaft sticks backwards. Oil pump is mounted the same way.
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Ronnie
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Posted: 01 Mar 2016 at 8:31pm |
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Acfarmer do u have any pictures
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 11:06am |
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I'll have to take some. Getting ready for first hook of the year this weekend.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 1:50pm |
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It's still snowing hear.I can't wate till its pulling season.
I have a lot of work to do in the meantime. Good luck take some videos.
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Bob C IL
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 5:54pm |
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I don't aim to upset ya but 150 to 250 psi!! Way to much all your goin to do is cook your fuel in the return line. I have a p3000 pump and push up to 850 cc and I run 30 psi with a 12v spayer pump by rural king. Just a suggestion.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 7:09pm |
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I forgot what injection pump your running Ronnie, but a Roosa Master with a 450cc head will handle 200psi before locking up the rotor,, an inline A or P pump I'm thinking 30 psi is the max on those
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Ronnie
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 7:41pm |
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I'm going to be runing a 310 rosa master.
I'm just trying to get close to 400hp
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Posted: 02 Mar 2016 at 9:25pm |
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Back when I ran RoosaMaster pump, 250 psi was really asking for trouble unless you used a thrust bolt on the front of the drive shaft. Pump seizure was imminent at the transfer pump thrust clips unless you did this trick.
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Posted: 03 Mar 2016 at 8:44am |
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I have built some of the strongest Roosa pumps out there, and I NEVER eliminate the internal transfer pump. I did have one customer who insisted on keeping his huge external pump setup, and that is the only one I wasn't happy with. I told him my theory was the transfer pump is so big, and returned so much, that it was whir-pooling in the tank, and sucking air. The tractor would always pop. I like to feed them 15 psi from a black holley pump, which I keep on hand. I have nothing to do with Ronnie's system though. I have no idea where he's getting work done.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2016 at 9:33pm |
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Ed, the ones Noble and Ed set up used the bolt thrust kit as Doc stated and then they removed the transfer pump and delivery valve. That was on the 4 roller 631 maxed out. The stock tanks had 2 half inch lines, 2 AC fuel filter then to the transfer pump, then to the FP with a pressure regulator and the return was also a 1/2" hose to the bottom of tank. The pumps he used had no advance system as in trimmer screw. Just for nostalgia sake comment..
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injpumpEd
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Posted: 06 Mar 2016 at 8:47am |
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Ya, I know back in the day, lots of roosas were built up to pull with, but, it seems they always had problems with seizing or other reliability issues. The way I set them up puts out lots of fuel, and they live a long and happy life lol!
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