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Macon Rounds 
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 Topic: is this a good No Till planter ?
Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 12:34am |
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IBWD MIke
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Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 4:38am |
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Not sure if it's a good no-till or not but definitely interesting. The Oliver guys would snap that right up!
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DrAllis
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Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 7:39am |
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"BEST" no til planter would be a brand new planter set up for just that. Best $$$$ spent for a no til planter?? Probably a Deere Max-Emerge or Kinze row unit with a no-til coulter in front of the double disc openers. They made these by the hundreds of thousands in terms of row units. They are every where in the used market. They've been around since the mid 1970's !! EDIT: Install two new disc openers spaced correctly, new inside and outside scrapers and have the corn meters in good condition or rebuilt and you'll have perfect corn seed spacing. No til coulter REQUIRED for true no til planting. They are the poorest soybean planter that was ever made, so install Kinze brush meters for that problem.
Edited by DrAllis - 02 Jul 2023 at 10:40am
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Lars(wi)
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Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 8:15am |
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Is the ‘2020’ on the listing is supposed to be the model year?
I know you are desiring a no-till planter, you may be better off(for the time being), going with a conventional planter, with discing the ground a couple times ahead of planting. We did that on a couple fields we worked that were very stoney, and odd shaped it made moldboard plowing a nightmare.
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AllisFreak MN
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Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 9:11am |
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I agree with the Dr. John Deere 7000's are everywhere and parts are plentiful. It's hard to beat them as far as availability, simplicity, and in their day - accuracy.
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JimIA
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Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 12:44pm |
If you want a cheaper priced no till planter for a small acreage as said the Kinze and Deere units are good. I use a 5100 White with framed mounted no-till coulters, Rebounder seed firmers, unit down pressure spring, dual closing wheels with Copperhead spiked closing wheels. It does a good job for me. I would like to have a 6100 to get the heavier parallel arms with heavy duty down pressure springs and better dual closing wheels. I do like the Whites for their metering unit(works best with medium round seeds), and I feel they are a low maintenance planter. There is a number of dealers in my area I can get parts as well.
Believe it or not no till coulters are becoming a thing of the past as a lot of planters have row cleaners, heavy row units and hydraulic down pressure to keep that row unit in the ground. Im happy with the frame mounted ones on my White but you have to keep in mind that they will not always be going the same depth as the row unit.
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Darwin W. Kurtz
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Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 1:23pm |
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I've thought that an Allis 3 pt tool bar planter with a set of no till coulters out front would make a good no till planter for a small operation and if you wanted to plant regular by working the ground, then just unbolt the coulters.
I know this was an option with the early 7000 John deere planters. The first 7000 my dad bought came with a set of no till coulters that could be bolted on.
I maybe think the Allis would be heavy enough to no till.
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DanWi
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Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 4:36pm |
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Deutz Allis planters were good no-tilled planters. Air units were pretty forgiving on seed size but just like all the new planters if you had super small or large seed you still need to change the seed disc. Even a finger pickup need adjustment if you get too far from average seed.
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