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You're going to go with $915 when Don said he probably could do it for about $500?


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Don said sleeves and pistons. This is a full overhaul kit. I havent ordered anything yet. So far it looks like the best option. If don can show better thats great!
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If you haven't taken the engine apart and checked parts to factory specs, don't order anything. You may just be throwing money away. Many of the parts in the engine will still be in spec. You're not building a high speed racer turning 8000 RPM. It's a low speed tractor turning 1600 RPM. LOL Bob
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I know what you mean Bob. I pulled the head and theres a busted up piston and scored cylinder. I pulled the pan and mains are shot. Theres also a valve seat hanging out of the head. Trust me this motor is bad. I wish I could post pics of the carnage. I suppose I could put one sleeve and cylinder in it and have the crank turned. Then slap on a different head. But were still talking $500 patch job at least. Why not make it right.       
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OK, here's the AGCO part numbers, the price I got over the phone was way off, it's $778.80 for pistons, sleeves, piston rings and O-rings for the sleeves.
Here's the list.
Piston 70230577 $53.00 apiece
Sleeve 70257450 $99.00 apiece
ring set 70230091 $144.00 for all four pistons
O-ring 70227500 $3.35 apiece
So if you get the above parts from AGCO it will be higher that the $500. I got but they can be ordered for AGCO and get true 8.25 to 1 pistons.
I'd try the kit you posted about.
I am sorry about the diff in price, I was just going by what I was told.
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Don thanks for the information. Depending on what I find when I open up my d17 I might just get the 4 pistons rings send rod bearings.   Having the correct part numbers for the pistons is helpful.
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Do NOT try and install 175 pistons in old used D-17 sleeves !!! The ring edge will not allow the new higher up pistons to travel higher up.
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Good point I was guessing I would have to have a machine shop bore the sleeve and use oversized rings if that is even possible.   Otherwise I would have to decide if I wanted to change out the entire sleeves to get the better compression if my sleeves are good it will probably just get rings and bearings.
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Thanks for the post don. Not sure which way im gonna go now lol. This weekend ill get my crank pulled and measure it to see how far it will need cut. Then ill be ready to order. So I have a few more days to think.    Took the head in to my machine shop already its pretty rough. The manifold surface needs milled cause each exhaust end is burned out. Will need a couple seats and all guides. Were gonna tank it next week to make sure its crack free and usable.
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So it looks like it will cost about $778 for the kit plus bearings and gaskets. You can weigh this cost against and aftermarket set without Power Crater pistons.
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You can cut the ridge out of the sleeves with a ridge cutter.http://www.autozone.com/loan-a-tools/piston-ridge-reamer
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Originally posted by DougS DougS wrote:

So it looks like it will cost about $778 for the kit plus bearings and gaskets. You can weigh this cost against and aftermarket set without Power Crater pistons.


Well ive determined that this "aftermarket" kit through Power max should have the power crater pistons. Its a 4" kit and has the same 8.25 comp ratio.

either way the cost would be about the same, to do the kit or what don said and add the pieces.

I talked with a rep from RELIANCE Engine parts (they own Powermax) and he said it isn't hard to be a Dealer, you just have to prove that you are a business, So my question is why aren't any of the parts vendors offering this kit?? Seems like a no brainer. I mean there is demand from INFORMED buyers.

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Seems like someone in here should carry the power max kit they would have a ready made market...
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Someone does,,
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Originally posted by DougG DougG wrote:

Someone does,,

Well please share who does I did alot of searching to find that part number the other day and I have yet to hear from someone who has actually had a power max kit in hand to say yes for sure it is the same piston as the agco 175 kit.
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Dan I think people are withholding info and that is disturbing. I thought we were all on the same team here? And by the way dan thanks for doing that research. I think that kit is a winner

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Originally posted by Dmpaul89 Dmpaul89 wrote:

Dan I think people are withholding info and that is disturbing. I thought we were all on the same team here? And by the way dan thanks for doing that research. I think that kit is a winner


Don't let it bother you too much there are alot of good people in here who try hard to help.

Your welcome I think there are even odds it will end up in my d17 once I get around to working on it. In my case I really don't know how bad it will be it still runs and doesn't smoke but there is something wrong when she gets hot and I do work her hard.

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Thanks for all the information guys. Lots of work went into finding this information out.

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Got my motor pulled today. Went well. Happy to see the clutch and input shaft are good. No play in the shaft and pilot bearing is ok. I will probably replace the bearings and put a new clutch disk in regardless. Did maybe goof up when I pulled the flywheel I assumed there would be a dowel on the crank so it could only go on one way but there isnt. How do you know which way to put it back on?
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I believe the bolt holes are offset. There's only one way it will go back on.
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That will be fun lining it up. At least the flywheel isnt 150 pounds like the massey 135 I did.
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Make a couple of removable studs and slide it on. Lot easier than wrestling a hunk of steel.
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Perhaps I'm thinking of the 301, but isn't there a seal behind the flywheel that can be replaced?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote WF owner Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 17 Oct 2015 at 9:39pm
If you look the crankshaft and flywheel over, it's quite easy to see how it goes on.

If you have the engine on an engine stand, put the flywheel on a floor jack. They really aren't bad to put back on.
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Since it seems that no one has wanted to identify anyone who is a dealer for these kits, I am in the process of becoming a dealer. I will keep you informed.
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If you get the account, Id think there is money to be made. that is if the kit is what we think it is. All it would take is some simple marketing. To explain what it is and compare it to the overbores. Sure a lot will still cheap out and go for the flat tops but I think you could sell a lot of these kits to restorers. If the other venders havent cought on by now well thats there fault for not staying current with the demand. Some vendors ive searched havent updated lists in years. If I had a buisness I would of made an account myself. Good luck
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Originally posted by WF owner WF owner wrote:

Since it seems that no one has wanted to identify anyone who is a dealer for these kits, I am in the process of becoming a dealer. I will keep you informed.

Be aware that there is more to being a dealer than just buying the kit, marking it up, and selling it. What will your return policy be? What is the company's return policy? Do you need a sales tax certificate? Is there a stocking level requirement? Will you take credit cards? How will you deal with bad checks? Ask any dealer here and they will tell you there is a whole lot more involved than just marking the product up and sending it out the door.
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Thanks for the advice, but I have been in business for many years. We used to sell gun safes, until I got too old to fight with safes that weighed up to 1500 lbs.
I already have a business certificate and tax number and have been selling parts (new and used) locally for a while. I am already hooked up with some other wholesalers. Since I am (partially) retired, I don't want to get too big.
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I have been a Power Max Dealer for 14 years .I was waiting to see where this post was going . I use these kits in all the jobs that go out of my Shop.

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So Fred are the pistons the same shape and size as the 175 kit pistons? Can you post a picture so we can see what they look like?
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