Indefinant Backorder (engine Kit) AGCO

Is the power max 915144 kit the same as a agco 175 kit?
http://www.powermaxparts.com/DEMO/AC-226-E.html
http://www.jensales.com/products/ep-915144-allis-buda-out-of-frame-overhaul-kit-allis-chalmers-g226.html

From a quick glance it looks like it has a 4 inch bore with 8.25 to 1 compression.

That piston Don shows on the left is not a actually a OEM type D17 piston. Maybe height wise and bore but that dish isn't what Allis put in a D17. That looks like what the dish in a WD45 piston is. A D17 piston will look the same from the top as a 175 piston.

At least Trevman is honest !! 110 psi versus 170 psi on 170-175 pistons. That my friends is a BIG difference. More power and better fuel economy.

...there's always the option of trimming the top of a stock WD piston to get your 8.25cr....gotta be able to do some math...

Dan73 wrote: Is the power max 915144 kit the same as a agco 175 kit? http://www.powermaxparts.com/DEMO/AC-226-E.html http://www.jensales.com/products/ep-915144-allis-buda-out-of-frame-overhaul-kit-allis-chalmers-g226.html From a quick glance it looks like it has a 4 inch bore with 8.25 to 1 compression.

        Dan that first post looks like the agco kits. Not sure if that page is up to date or not but im gonna look into it. My dealer is trying to track down the maker of the agco kits

Lonn wrote: That piston Don shows on the left is not a actually a OEM type D17 piston. Maybe height wise and bore but that dish isn't what Allis put in a D17. That looks like what the dish in a WD45 piston is. A D17 piston will look the same from the top as a 175 piston.

The D-17 piston Don pictured looks exactly like the ones in my early D-17.

We don't need to compare a 175 to a d17 piston we need to compare a 175 piston to a new flat top piston we know the 175 is better than the 17 when I did my e motor the piston looked like don's picture but the dish was way lower than the flat top. the edge was better but the dish was worse average probley the same

Latter on maybe tonight I will post how to built a AGCO 8.25 to 1 piston and sleeve set from AGCO parts the pistons, sleeves, o-rings and piston rings will cost about $500.00 to do it with the part numbers and they are still available.
A flat top piston will not make the same HP as power crater piston will on the same amount of fuel used per hour. 

I have never ever felt the "Power Crater" design piston was a sales gimmick. It even has a different sound that a flat top piston engine, in my opinion.

Mrgoodwrench wrote: I mean no disrespect but if it is for a d17then why do you need a 175 kit. if it is for a working tractor then the D 17 parts have been fine for all these years. if the tractor doesn't have enough power to get the work done in my opinion you need a bigger tractor. if its for a puller there are literally hundreds of different combinations you could use to make more power and I doubt a 175 kit is the best option.

The bottom line is that he's looking for Power Crater pistons. There doesn't seem to be an OEM or aftermarket Power Crater kit anywhere. If it costs no more to put a 175 kit in instead of a D17 kit, why not just use a 175 kit? If Don knows where to get a 175 Power Crater kit, I'd go with that.

Mrgoodwrench wrote: I mean no disrespect but if it is for a d17then why do you need a 175 kit. if it is for a working tractor then the D 17 parts have been fine for all these years. if the tractor doesn't have enough power to get the work done in my opinion you need a bigger tractor. if its for a puller there are literally hundreds of different combinations you could use to make more power and I doubt a 175 kit is the best option.

Well for my personal situation it is a work tractor. I could probably freshen up the motor and be ok. I might still do that. But if replacing the pistons will give me a little higher compression and a little more hp then that would be great. Yes it has been a stock d17 on the farm here for alot of years. But I also added a front mounted hydraulic pump to run the accumulator for my haying and I am running a NH 565 baler. The two are a little big for her as she stands today. As to the bigger tractor comment maybe that would be a good solution but I own the d17 and it does get the job done if I could give it just a little more power I wouldn't feel I was working it for all it is worth. No disrespect taken on my part I am simply trying to figure out what my options are right now and depending on what I find when I open her up. Right now mine has an issue where once it warms up I think some of the valves stretch and she looses compression.   I am not sure but that is sort of how it acts. Once I finish the fall work I will be having a mechanic friend of mine look at it with me. I know if I redo the head I will do rings and bearing at the very least I won't just redo the upper half and leave the old tired lower half.

Just got a call back. That power max kit is 4" standard bore and they had a different name for the pistons but I believe they are the same as the power crater. The kit is 1020.00 it comes with everthing except valve components and it is a 8.25 comp ratio. Its availiable and ready to ship. All id have to do is find out which bearing size to get. This seems to be the agco kit guys!

Check it out

Don(MO) wrote: Latter on maybe tonight I will post how to built a AGCO 8.25 to 1 piston and sleeve set from AGCO parts the pistons, sleeves, o-rings and piston rings will cost about $500.00 to do it with the part numbers and they are still available. A flat top piston will not make the same HP as power crater piston will on the same amount of fuel used per hour.

I for one look forward to that post.don i think you and i talked about this subject when i was at your place in august picking up my 45diesel.guys,all i can say is,pay close attention to what don,dr.allis and mack have to say.i have come to learn in a short time these fellas know what theyr'e talking about,concerning the w201,w226 and g226 engines.

I couldn't get it to load on my phone but yes now I see it on my work computer. This looks good! im going to call them