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plummerscarin 
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 Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 11:53am |
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Kinze has now announced a layoff of almost 200.
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 3:59pm |
Agco plans significant layoffs, citing ‘weakening demand’ The farm equipment maker expects to cut up to 6% of its salaried workforce just days after disclosing some production will move to Mexico. Published June 27, 2024 By Nathan Owens Reporter https://www.agriculturedive.com/news/agco-reveals-layoffs-citing-weakening-demand/720047/
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Posted: 01 Aug 2024 at 4:38pm |
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If they are not selling new stuff shouldn't there be a slight increase for repair parts.
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AC7060IL
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Posted: 02 Aug 2024 at 8:25am |
Here’s a weblink to “Tractor Mike’s” perspective on Mexico production for US Ag mfgs. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=y50FcIrpmxE&pp=ygUTVHJhY3RvciBtaWtlIG1leGljbw%3D%3D
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Posted: 02 Aug 2024 at 11:33am |
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It's taken longer than I thought it would to get where we are at. This Country runs on oil/gas/diesel fuel. Thanks to Uncle Joe and his regime, we immediately had higher fuel prices the first month they were in charge. EVERYTHING's price is tied to what transportation costs are. I think it will get worse and be a couple of years or more before things improve, if they ever do.
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Posted: 02 Aug 2024 at 10:41pm |
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totaly right dr. every thing revoles around the cost of fuel
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DMiller
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 5:32am |
No doubts to both of your views. Everything and anything in the US runs, gets delivered or is made of Petroleum. Even those claiming Soy is a good plastic substitute forget takes fuel to Cultivate, plant then chemically protect and finally harvest that soy, then have to transport it to a mill for turning into meal to refine further for a Plastic substitute. Still have the entire production process that gets into electrical power where renewable nonsense will not make enough to keep the mills running.
Already know can make Biofuels, can manufacture nearly every form of energy needs fuels from agriculture, just tends to be ignored as expect the US to feed the globe, for Free.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 6:16am |
Another factor in where stuff is made ,is 'JIT', Just In Time.Sub assemblies are made in other plants, then shipped(trucked really ) to a central assembly building. Have heard that over 1/2 of the car parts are actually in trailers, on the roads at any given time. So truckers are now mobile warehouses ! Big problem is when there's a delay (say due to bad weather or picketers ) . The holdup of just ONE trailer of parts can shutdown entire car production.
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DougG
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 7:09am |
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When I worked at Maytag we implimented the - JUST IN TIME- thing; but it was always a day late! Had to run to Kansas City Overnight terminal a few times for things!
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 7:23am |
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Most factories aren’t (still) dumb enough to run that short and tight on inventory anymore. It was a thing, but critical areas have been studied and a “store” is incorporated in critical areas to keep things going for a multiple of the takt time.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 7:55am |
The big problems are cost and space. 'Reserve' inventory takes up expensive space, lowers the 'bottom line'. Also real money is tied up in that reserve inventory. I got a killer deal on Twinwall one summer. Asked supplier what was 'on the shelf collecting dust'. Next day, a delivery guy came with 3 skids FULL of Twinwall, that I paid about 5% of HIS cost. Everyone was happy ! Have to be smart to decide what is 'critical' and what is an 'acceptable' stock level. Cut a lot of code 4 decades ago for local hobbyshop, as there were seasonal blips and 99.44% came from USA. You'd think todays computers would be smarter and get the 'numbers' right.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 8:32am |
 jaybmiller wrote:
The big problems are cost and space. 'Reserve' inventory takes up expensive space, lowers the 'bottom line'. Also real money is tied up in that reserve inventory. I got a killer deal on Twinwall one summer. Asked supplier what was 'on the shelf collecting dust'. Next day, a delivery guy came with 3 skids FULL of Twinwall, that I paid about 5% of HIS cost. Everyone was happy ! Have to be smart to decide what is 'critical' and what is an 'acceptable' stock level. Cut a lot of code 4 decades ago for local hobbyshop, as there were seasonal blips and 99.44% came from USA. You'd think todays computers would be smarter and get the 'numbers' right.
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we’ll no 5hit. But if you want expensive, shut down a factory. Ya, they don’t load a factory floor to ceiling with two years of inventory anymore, but they do plan to avoid critical area shut downs. We do business with General Motors, Ford, Stellantis, Deere, Caterpillar, GE, Dana, their suppliers and 1000’s of other companies. But what would I know.
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 8:53am |
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Just in time does not mean the parts show up at noon today because you wer going to run out at 1 PM..... As Tbone said, different items have different "JIT" depeding on how hard they are to ship and where they come from... JIT could be 24 hours... but can be a week or 30 days in SOME cases...
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DMiller
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 5:57pm |
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Over thirty days in inventory the assembly facility pays inventory taxes on it. JIT for GM Chrysler and Ford St Louis was always no more than a weeks worth of materials. Was working for Gelco Rental the early 80s where that information came from a supplies hauler.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 8:33pm |
re: but they do plan to avoid critical area shut downs.
well that didn't work so well for any of the car assembly plants in Ontario when the MI/Ontario border was illegally shutdown for few days, a few years back..... 
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 8:54pm |
DMiller wrote:
Over thirty days in inventory the assembly facility pays inventory taxes on it. JIT for GM Chrysler and Ford St Louis was always no more than a weeks worth of materials. Was working for Gelco Rental the early 80s where that information came from a supplies hauler. |
True on tax, but it all just depends. When our most specialized material became scarce and supply chain pooched by Covid we pre-bought a year’s worth. Just depends. Helped us kick the competition’s butt. We also get material delivered every day. But we sure as hell don’t shut down if a truck doesn’t show up. We can go by your 40 year old story or what I worked with last week. Y’all can decide for yourself.
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Posted: 03 Aug 2024 at 8:58pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
re: but they do plan to avoid critical area shut downs.
well that didn't work so well for any of the car assembly plants in Ontario when the MI/Ontario border was illegally shutdown for few days, a few years back.....
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There ya go! You did it!!! You found an extreme situation to prove yourself right and to show what idiots “they” are at the companies once again! Congratulations!!! I didn’t help lead our plant’s lean initiatives years ago either. I don’t know anything and you’re absolutely right!
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DMiller
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Posted: 04 Aug 2024 at 7:04am |
The fed was going to corner the Tax Value market, by taxing inventories that just sat. Then JIT developed and those that did stockpile big inventories would write those down over time and send all that NEW Inventory to Scrap yards for destruction. Have seen that first hand and at the Nuke I worked as well the Electrical Distribution District I started at with the company. Several companies have done as Tbone noted, ordered a Years worth but deliveries held back to nearly JIT schedules. Out Country suppliers do not have to ship immediately as they do not have inventory taxation, uncertain if US Manufacturers have to pay tax on new component materials (Not a finished product) if have not sold even as have produced. US Guv could wise up and eliminate garbage tax programs as that one that did nothing but screw up business.
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Posted: 09 Aug 2024 at 4:03am |
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Posted: 09 Aug 2024 at 8:52am |
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Read this week that a lumber company in Wisconsin was shutting down 3 mills, laying off 150 people. With closings like that it also puts loggers and truckers out of jobs.
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jaybmiller
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Posted: 09 Aug 2024 at 9:13am |
Know of several framers NOT working, even though huge housing shortage. Seems most new home buyers can't afford MILLION dollar house for some silly reason..so..developers aren't BUILDING ! I don't care how low the mortgage rate is, even 0.99% is too high to buy a high priced house.
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DMiller
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Posted: 10 Aug 2024 at 5:32am |
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Housing sales here have all but ceased. New construction has slipped into crawl gear with ‘Special Incentive Deals’ flags flying. Only ones still buying are those that have fluid cash to just buy, major
Money holders are buying up hobby farms around here not for farming but for recreational space. Is a Four Million dollar “limited, intermittent use” house being built on a vravel road outside of town, owners live in St Louis where he is investment broker she is a housewife, bought close to 4000 acres in parcels for last fifteen years all ‘investment buys’ for a nature site(Controlled Hunting).
He is 74 she 50 and Third wife, she does NOT come out except when has to as I have been explained, two children not ever set foot on site, both have families out of state. See this turning into some sort of massive collapsing dump along with the few others can note as the owners die and children want the cash out.
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