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Implements for an Allis B

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    Posted: 24 Apr 2016 at 7:27am
What size of disc can a later model B Pull?
The same goes for the size of a cultivator?
The B can pull any size one bottom plow easily. But can it pull 2 14" plows or is that too much. I heard it can.
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My B with low compression kerosene pistons (Low power engine) handles a 2-12 Oliver Plowmaster like there's nothing there! That thing pulls good! I can bury that plow and the B won't stop! I can't imagine what it'll do after I overhaul it with high compression pistons.
I bet it would pull a 2-14 in ideal conditions. Just don't get carried away.
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Thanks. Yea that makes sense. The ground conditions play an important factor in what it can handle pulling!
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In Maryland we only used the one bottom plow.   Worked very well.
As to cultivators the B was made for a one row operation.  In some vegetable and nursery operations we jury rigged some multiple small row units.  However, I would stick with the one row.
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A two row cult. was built for the C, so why couldn't a B do a two row? Basically the same tractor. And with a over bore kit it should have as much power as a C. Leon R  Cmo
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Originally posted by LeonR2013 LeonR2013 wrote:

A two row cult. was built for the C, so why couldn't a B do a two row? Basically the same tractor. And with a over bore kit it should have as much power as a C. Leon R  Cmo

Wheel width could be the problem. A standard arched axle B can't be adjusted to match row width like the wide front C. A B would work better for a 3 row cultivator. Power was not the reason only a one row was made for the B.
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I don't really understand...what all was different about a C from a B? I understand the narrow front, the different rear wheels, seat, and steering linkages, but what else? 
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Dad had a 47 C for his first tractor. He had a one bottom trip plow that a blacksmith had widened to cut 18 inches. He said he could run in 2nd gear and plow way more ground in a day, than the neighbor did with his B and a 2-12 plow because the neighbor had to plow in first. Couldn't pull 2-12's in second.
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Y'all must have different soil than we do! I pull 2-12 with my B in 2nd just fine! It even had low compression Kerosene pistons in it at the time!
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Those implements might be just a little bit too big for a B to handle! Wink
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Yep, I believe you guys have much more sandy soil than we do here in most parts of the upper midwest it is heavy loam/clay.
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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

I don't really understand...what all was different about a C from a B? I understand the narrow front, the different rear wheels, seat, and steering linkages, but what else? 

A model C was for 2-row operations, as the trike front was run in between the two rows cultivating, with a rear wheel  on the outside of each row being cultivated. A model B was made for 1-row cultivating, both the front and rear tires straddled the row being cultivated. Does that make sense? Other than 1-row vs. 2-row a B and a C are the same tractor, basically. (At least from the bits & pieces I have picked up here and there)
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I don't know how that pic got on this post. I resized it and thought I put it back on the original post??/ Oh well, I'll just leave it hoping somebody will show a B that can handle these. LOL
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

I don't know how that pic got on this post. I resized it and thought I put it back on the original post??/ Oh well, I'll just leave it hoping somebody will show a B that can handle these. LOL

Mine can't!
I was wondering what that pic was doing, though..... now I know...
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Dad's old C pulls the one bottom mounted plow off my B just fine in second gear as long as the soil has enough moisture in it, not much but enough so it slices instead of busting through it, if its to dry it's like throwing out the anchor and you get a lot of wheel slip. If you have the plow set right it can cover the ground pretty quickly if not you are in for a rough ride, a little plow like this can teach you a lot about plowing that can make setting up bigger equipment easier, and the work load on your equipment easier. Its a dying art though everyone chisel plows around here or discs heavy. I have a worksaver 3 point that I use with a Dearborn 8N size disc it pulls it fine but you need the brakes on the headlands to turn it as the front end gets light.T.J.
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Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

I don't really understand...what all was different about a C from a B? I understand the narrow front, the different rear wheels, seat, and steering linkages, but what else? 

 Some C's had an adjustable wide front, the seats were pretty much the same. The final drive housing was wider on the C I believe and the drawbar was on a bigger arch to bolt to the finals. Other than what you already stated, that's about it.
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Originally posted by CTuckerNWIL CTuckerNWIL wrote:

Originally posted by CrestonM CrestonM wrote:

I don't really understand...what all was different about a C from a B? I understand the narrow front, the different rear wheels, seat, and steering linkages, but what else? 

 Some C's had an adjustable wide front, the seats were pretty much the same. The final drive housing was wider on the C I believe and the drawbar was on a bigger arch to bolt to the finals. Other than what you already stated, that's about it.

Yeah, the final drive housing on a C was wider so that the tractor could straddle two rows, instead of just one on the B
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