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TomYaz 
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:22pm |
Tom,
I received your e-mail regarding the AGCO Brand. Decisions like these are not made easily and not without research with supporting facts. AGCO Brand has only been established in North America. Brands such as Massey Ferguson, Fendt, Challenger and Valtra are our global brands. In order to compete with major lines of products we find that we are unable to adequately promote multiple brands especially those, which are not global brands. Today’s economic environment makes it impossible for companies such as AGCO to grow these brands with diluted resources. From a sales volume position, the AGCO Brand was minimal in the big picture. However, we realize that there is an emotional side to this with the heritage going back to the Allis Chalmers product and dealer network. Again, these decisions are never easy but many times the correct decisions are not always those that are. We value our AGCO customers and will do what we can to retain as many of you as possible in the future.
Thank you for your response to AGCO Answers.
Stephen Barcuch
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AGCO Corporation
>>>So what he is saying they only want to keep the brands with global recognition....
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:37pm |
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Someone better put a fork in orange tractors. I hope replacement parts will still be around. Ryan
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:41pm |
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If that was the case, they should revive the Allis Chalmers brand. At one time that was as global as you could get. There are still Allis Crawlers and older tractors in Europe from WWII.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:50pm |
Tom,
You did better then me. I sent letters to 3 people at AGCO.I stated that I was going to trade my DT220A and my A85 Gleaner,before the end of the year. I got no response from any of them. Thats why I signed papers on a New Deere tractor to take the place of my AGCO. They can kiss my you know what. I am done with AGCO,I hope they go broke . They can push them red and yellow agcos all they want USA is not going to buy them. They sell more orange tractors then the yellow and red put together.that tells me they dont care about North America,so I am going green. I am working on a deal to get rid of the Gleaner combine
I guess I need to change my name..............LOL
IG
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 5:57pm |
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IG, While at the G roundup in Gadsden, they had two AGCO reps there. While talking with them, I remembered some statements you had made some months earlier. I did not mention your name, but gave them an earful. I stated there were many large farmers that not only were dedicated to AGCO brand but Gleaner as well. I also let them know that if the AGCO brand was lost, they would never sell another tractor of any other brand/color to you and many like you and would probably follow that with elimination of Gleaner as well. I guessed correct in your sentiments but guess they did not bother to pass the word up channel, or more than likely, it fell on deaf ears. Let em die now.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:00pm |
 ILGLEANER wrote:
Tom,
You did better then me. I sent letters to 3 people at AGCO.I stated that I was going to trade my DT220A and my A85 Gleaner,before the end of the year. I got no response from any of them. Thats why I signed papers on a New Deere tractor to take the place of my AGCO. They can kiss my you know what. I am done with AGCO,I hope they go broke . They can push them red and yellow agcos all they want USA is not going to buy them. They sell more orange tractors then the yellow and red put together.that tells me they dont care about North America,so I am going green. I am working on a deal to get rid of the Gleaner combine
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I guess they are looking at what combination of brands that would sell the most GLOBALLY, N.A. be damned. If they can sell more globally at the price of losing NA, then
I guess they dont care. Welcome to the Global Economy.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:06pm |
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IG - Good to hear from you. I'm doing the same thing. I'm not sure if I'll go JD but I'm going somewhere. I'm thinking of whether to keep my ST I just bought or not. I have a pretty good case to sue them to give me back my payments and expenses as I bought it after I got an email from them saying that dropping the orange was just a rumor. I'll be trading the RT100a in as well. Probably won't get rid of my F2 my WC, (as it was my grandpas), and my suflower drill but I might. We'll see. I'm most likely going Kubota but I don't know for sure yet.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:37pm |
In my opinion Yaz is jumping from the frying pan into the fire by going "green" ! Furthermore, if one is going to change colors anyway, why not go Red or Yellow? Would sure be better than green, with technology that has been copied form others.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:50pm |
Sorry, but I still think people that go running to Deere and CNH are setting themselves up for a duopoly in the long run. Agco is really the only company that can give Deere and CNH a run for their money and keep competition going. If Agco goes away and the market is there for CNH and Deere to divide as they seem fit, guess who is going to get screwed. I know there are some other companies here and there that make a decent line of tractors but none that can take on Deere and CNH for a broad range. I think the Massey and Challenger are still a pretty good product. Although some of you are mad, I know you agree because you were buying it recently with orange paint on it.
What would you say to White fans about 5 years ago if they told you they hoped Agco went broke at that time because the tractors weren't silver?
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:54pm |
Ricky,
If someone took your wife would you go pat them on the back and still help them??????
If Agco takes my orange tractor,why would I help them and buy a Massey or Challenger? Would be pretty stupid wouldnt it? If I wanted to drive red or yellow or green or blue I would. I want to run orange, they chose to take it away,I choose not to do buisness with them. Its real easy for me.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:55pm |
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THEY ALL HAVE THERE PROBLEMS RED AN GREEN RED ONE BOUGHT THIS SEASON BEEN WORKING ON IT MORE THAN IN THE FIELD GREEN ONE OF THE 2 UNITS ARE DOWN ALSO MY 2 CENTS
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:55pm |
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So why dont they promote Agco brand globally ? THIS DOESNT MAKE SENCE AT ALL !!!!Agco Allis tractors are being marketed in South America[ i believe] ; they are green [i believe] but couldnt they be painted orange and still be promoted there ? What would the big deal be to really let folks now about AGCO BRAND globally and really stand behind the product , They will get more reponse out of ORANGE than the dam yeller paint ;The joke is 4 core brands and Challenger is one - WTF !!!! Thats plain ignorant , I usually support AGCO all I can, no more, not if I can help it , What the real joke is when they intro,d this new line of Agco,s and LONG LIVE THE FAMILY FARM bs ; and now - the fate of ORANGE is pretty much sealed, in the short time of what; the new cab, new electronics , blah, blah ; oh yeah they are history just like that ; that should really tell you something ; let them sink, they deserve to , and will !!! I,ll bet the Heritage parts are really being eyed, not AC but the other, older , brands ; SCREW EM !!!
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 6:57pm |
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Looks like if they really wanted a global name they would make an effort to bring back the Allis Chalmers brand. You can't get any more gobal. AC made tractors, heavy equipment, industrial pumps and electric motors. All lines had a reputation of quality too.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:02pm |
Spud,
I know of alot of people that ran white equipment that are now running other colors. The point you are missing,is when what you like is gone. Then you look at everything else. I have a red a green and blue dealer 5 miles from my house. I drive 60 miles to a dealer because I bleed orange and silver. Now mister know it all why would I drive 60 miles to drive a Massey or 150 miles to drive a Challenger. If you dont know what you are talking about why dont you just keep your mouth shut. You dont know my situation so dont bash me.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:12pm |
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Here is my take on it. If Agco wants to compete against JD and CNH. If they want to get rid of all of there brands, OK . Drop them all ,drop red orange and yellow. Make them all one color with the AGCO on the side. Everything one color from lawnmowers to 500hp 4-wheel drives. Then you are Agco and make them a new color,then you have no ties to anyone in the past. Then see how far you go. About like a lead ballon over the ocean. They have become what they are from there past,not what they have done.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:22pm |
I sure hope they do not go broke. I need AGCO to get parts to keep my equipment running. Don`t take this wrong (but I am sure someone will) But with the farm ecomony the way it is I can`t go out and start trading equipment because of the color. I sure don`t want to see the orange go away. http://minneapolismoline.myphotoalbum.com/albums.php
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:30pm |
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The decision sounds like it came from people whose only contact with the farming community is they happen to work for a company that builds farm equipment. I tend to refer to these people as educated idiots. They are book smart only. Absolutely no common sense. They're pretty much cutting their ties to their roots.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:31pm |
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IG, why green? I though I saw a post awhile back saying you were thinking about a CIH 8010? Maybe your new handle can be Ill-annoyed Gleaner.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:36pm |
What if Case New Holland dropped the red paint and the IH from thier name? What do you think would happen? You think all these IH people would run and buy a Blue tractor? HARDLY!!! This is just about what Agco has done!
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:45pm |
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 7:45pm |
I suppose their logic makes sense if you don't count any Allis Chalmers tractors which were sold to loyal customers before Allis was sold to the germans. Seems like a pretty stupid way to treat current and potential customers. A friend bought a ton of MF tractors in the Midwest and hauled them to an auction yard down south where they most likely were exported. I guess that tells me that the MF brand wasn't as valuable to US buyers as it was to foreign buyers. No problem. Sell them all the MF stuff they want and leave the US market alone. Oh thats right, they have to have a "global brand". Having a global brand didn't work out so well for Deutz when they tried to push their brand on US customers. Maybe AGCO's marketing dept should research that instead of relying on some new age marketing gurus. Brand loyalty works both ways. Piss off an ag customer and he's not likely to come back. Sounds like they don't figure the NA market is big enough to warrant their time.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:01pm |
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IG, have you inquired how much it would cost to order the JD equipment in D.O.T. orange? It is in the option list...
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:09pm |
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As I posted before a few days ago, I feel it is the leadership of the company, a German, who just doesn't see the reason to keep orange in NA. With so few dealers, compared to JD or even Kubota, there isn't much hope for AGCO in a good part of the country anyway.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:23pm |
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I agree 100% I. G. with your statement and would love to see the tractors and equip. just AGCO , meaning -Allis Gleaner Company - that would really make sence !!
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:27pm |
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Go green because green actually has brains and promotes their products and STANDS BEHIND THEM WITH PRIDE rather then cut off all ties. The real Allis Chalmers died in the 80's. I am a firm believer and hoper that after these decisions AGCO goes down the crapper. Never once did I feel any business decisions they made were the right ones, and this is why. Look at what has happened, look how many ONCE LOYAL customers are turning away because of a decision. Oh well. S*** Happens. AGCO has never in my opinion, been good at marketing anything. Look at Deere and all their products that get sold to people that don't know the difference between a PTO and a drawbar.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2009 at 8:37pm |
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John Deere within a few thousand of AGCO and CIH? Guess the others have gone up since the last time I looked at prices. That's a surprise. I don't think I could ever bring myself to drive green because of the people wearing JD t-shirts, but that's good for them that they are finally becoming competitive with the other brands as far as prices go, or else the others have caught up with Deere in the greed department.
In all honesty, you have to look at AGCO's decision from a business stand point. Sure it sucks for all of us who love orange, but they are doing what they can to make money. I'd much rather only be able to buy an AGCO in a red tractor than have no AGCO. If you want an Allis Chalmers or orange tractor, buy an old Allis. If you need a new tractor to run your business, buy what is the best option for you economically, which means something you can get serviced near by. We used to run all Allis stuff, but after they closed down (this is all before I was even born....) we switched to Fords. The dealer was close, they had a good track record, and they were priced better than anything around.
Basically, what I'm saying, is AGCO is doing what most people in business do, and that's stay in business, trying to satisfy as many stakeholders as possible. Unfortunately, for AGCO, there are many more stakeholders for the Massey line than the Allis line these days, and the foreign market is a big market any more. The US is still big, but not the percentage it used to be compared to overseas.
I hate to see Orange tractors go, but in all honesty, it's a result of a not so abnormal management decision for a struggling market: consolidation. I hope they help the current AGCO dealers by setting them up for another AGCO brand of the dealer's choice and keep parts availability for older brands up.
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