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DiyDave 
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 Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:00pm |
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#'s not upside down, is it?
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Beirnesy
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:24pm |
Upon viewing a rear view picture of the tractor......there is of course the ALLIS CHALMERS decal on the fuel tank, but does the decal below it say BEACHMASTER ??????
The rear most tractor in the picture with rice tires, but I do not believe to be included in this auction looks to be a 190 propane, as the fuel tank looks to be a propane cylinder !!
Edited by Beirnesy - 08 May 2016 at 9:26pm
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hillmonkey
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:39pm |
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Sure does say BeachMaster. I googled it and it is the same decal.Also you can read under the beachmaster it says "industrial tractor".You would think if someone replaced the tank there would be a little trace of industial yellow still.
OK, so now it is the very first "beachmaster" made and worth atleast 10grand more???HAHA
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 7:43pm |
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There is yellow above the PTO and on the chin weight and grill where the paints peeling.
Edited by hillmonkey - 08 May 2016 at 8:48pm
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EricPA
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:43pm |
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:53pm |
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Those are the weights that came on a Beachmaster,but the original Beachmaster tires
were 23.1 X 26
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 8:58pm |
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Ask Darryl if his serial number 1001 D21 is worth more than any other D21. I would say a lot more.
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acben20
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:45pm |
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Hey this looks like it was a beachmaster and I got the correct 26" wheels off the 190.. Could be a test 190 beachmaster or something that would explain the serieal number and yellow paint.. Shouldn't the serial number say 190D 1001 not 190 1001?
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 9:58pm |
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The yellow is the primer, just like every other 190 l would guess
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:01pm |
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I thought it should say 190 1001 D
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acben20
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:10pm |
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Yes I think it should say 190 1001d too so what up with this serial number.. Could just be the tube where the serial number is on could have been replaced?
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AllisChalmers8070
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Posted: 08 May 2016 at 10:37pm |
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It would be cool to own but we already have a 1964 4020, to me they are about the same tractor but that's just me. We already have a 1969 190xt and I like it a lot better than the early ones so... For that money I could buy a 220 which I think would be a lot better to own than the first 190. I hope someone will buy them and fix both of them.
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Calvin Schmidt
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 9:00am |
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There is an original Beachmaster sitting in my shop (not mine) serial 190 5098 D. There is no Beachmaster decal on the fuel tank. It is snap coupler. Beachmasters have the zipper or convertable front casting so there is no power steering cylinder on the wide front axle wish bone. 1001 does not have the low spindle front axle. If the weights are for a Beechmaster, they are mounted inside out. Beechmaster weights are AM 5472. I'd be very surprised if 1001 was ever a Beachmaster
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 9:18am |
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I thought it should say 190 1001 D |
Being the first one, maybe they never thought of ID ing them with a D at the end till the gasser was built? 
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Jordan(OH)
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:31am |
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210 and 220 both have a D at the end and there never was a gas model.
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Skyhighballoon(MO)
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 11:28am |
Jordan(OH) wrote:
210 and 220 both have a D at the end and there never was a gas model.
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Just thinking out loud...210/220 were built much later than the 190 that came in 1964? So maybe a SN stamping policy hadn't been set in place in 1964? Also, given the number spacing in the SN pics...is it possible the D is spaced out on the end and not in pic (yeah probably not llikely). Mike
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 3:24pm |
Jordan(OH) wrote:
210 and 220 both have a D at the end and there never was a gas model.
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The tractor in question is a 190. Nothing to do with a 210 or 220.
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WestAllisWD45
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 3:57pm |
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Just asking, but didn't D19's have a "D" ? (Ours was gas so I have no idea)
If so, the D in serial numbers would have been thought of before 190's arrived.
I am having a hard time figuring out which is #1001 and which is donor ! Looks like he has a third in background, he should sweeten the pot and sell all 3 as a pile. Got room in the shed, the 15 G's, not so much !
Edited by WestAllisWD45 - 09 May 2016 at 4:01pm
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Gary
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 4:35pm |
There are 128 D-19's in the Owner Registry.
Lowest serial is D-19 1009
The Diesels have a 'D' at the end of the Serial No.
For reference
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 4:40pm |
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westallis, the doner has the suitcase weights and the exhaust thru hood. 1001 has no pipe thru hood ,first 4 pics is 1001.
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CTuckerNWIL
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 5:22pm |
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WD45' diesels had a D in the tractor number but, the diesel was built after gas tractors. Same with the D15, D17 and D19.
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 6:34pm |
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worth ??
to me 10% over scrap price.
reasoning
1) it don't run ! hole in block so things cannot be checked like rad,engine,clutch,tranny,rear end, hydralics,cylinders,alternator, electrics,etc. and that 's just a start.
2) since the block is busted it ain't going to be 'all original' when you swap out the block, even IF you keep all the innards and accessories. Yeah I'm nit picking but....after the 'block-ect-omy it's just another tractor...ho hum.....
3) cost to transport. that HAS to be factored in 'somehow' but gee hauling several tons of scrap iron ain't cheap and how'd you feel after paying hundreds to have it shipped, replace block and oopsy...trannys no good.....
4) it could be a huge money pit. everyone here knows you can't make a living properly restoring old iron....
I could go on and on..... but...
then again 'beauty lies in the eye of the beholder'.....
Jay
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 6:55pm |
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Jay I am with you. The only way it has any extra value is if it is matching first tractor numbers having the first of any torque tube with a replacement motor is just a running tractor
Maybe the block can be patched and fixed. And if the right guy does it maybe it is a good as new but it is a repaired block and to me a repaired block is worth less always second guess if the repair will hold. If your goal it to put it in a collection well that all depends on your perspective you might love the extra story of how you saved the first ever from scrap... but it is a money pit just fixing that motor is a ton of money expecially if you are not the expert who can patch a block with a hole.
So to me the first question is how much is the replacement motor and can I even find one to bolt up to it around here that is good. Sadly ac tractors are not as common in these parts as some other places if I want anything newer then a wd it is slim picking here. Not true other places for sure.
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ILGLEANER
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 7:35pm |
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All 190s have a D, XT, G after the serial number. If the tongue tube was replaced thru parts. The new tube would not have a serial number, just a blank spot. I have seen them on tractors.
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 7:51pm |
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The block could be fixed by Nevada Cylinder head at Nevada, IA. They preheat cast iron blocks and heads in an oven before welding and so have reliable welds. They can also do line boring when the block warps from the heating, welding, and controlled cooling. They might have to take off the aluminum engine tag to have it survive the heat.
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 8:21pm |
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We have a d12 series 3 with the tube replaced and it has serial # says d12-1000 and I know that is not correct for the tractor?? So I think some replacement parts had serial numbers on them just my thought..
Edited by acben20 - 09 May 2016 at 8:22pm
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Gary Burnett
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 8:24pm |
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I guess as far a value is concerned we'll find out since its on ebay and people
that want it will set the value with their bids.Cash on the barrel head always speaks the loudest.Things like it being one of a kind the values usually continue to increase over time.
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:28pm |
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Who has the last one built so then you could have first and last like the D-21s in old allis
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AllisChalmers8070
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:29pm |
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I was wondering that myself Mike.
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Posted: 09 May 2016 at 10:38pm |
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I mean its def worth more then scrap. For me I couldn't restore it the way it needs but some collectors on here that would do a nice restoration. To those guys it's worth buying. I kinda think all first an last tractors are unique in its own way. I even see tractors that are close to last and think to myself that tractor was on the assembly line the last day of production lol
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