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how to lower the front of my wd-45 ? |
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firephight ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Location: st.louis Points: 320 |
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Wanting to lowere the front for pulling how do others do it? My tractor is a tricycle front.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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smaller front tires and wheels or taller back tires . your really not worried about height you should be concerned with the degree of rake.
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Kip-Utah ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Southern Utah Points: 874 |
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Put smaller 15" rims off a RC and 4.00x15 tires on. Worked well on our WC. Kip
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HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!!
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cotncrzy ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 07 Oct 2009 Location: TENNESSEE Points: 599 |
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A set of 38" rears will do it, I got a new set of rear wheels to go on mine, adapters should be done mid week, I will post a pic when I get everyhing mounted.
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C, WD45,WD puller, 185, 200, 7060 Red Belly, 7060 Black Belly,8010, and a R52 Gleaner, AND PROUD OF THEM!
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Fields ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Location: Reedsburg, Wi Points: 359 |
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rc fronts 5.00-15 and 15.5-38 rear.
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wi50 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: weegieland Points: 1010 |
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Here's a pic of my WD-45 with some free 15.5X38 tires I scored, I cut the 9 bolt pattern out and welded an 8 bolt repair center in, the regular 5-15 fronts.
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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firephight ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Location: st.louis Points: 320 |
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Who sells repacement Rc rims? can't find them any place. I was thinking about having a set of " c " front hubs machined to fit the wd front spindle or have the spindle turned down to fit the smaller hubs
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firephight ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Location: st.louis Points: 320 |
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The Other Orange ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 22 Jul 2012 Location: Indiana Points: 45 |
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Do you know how much more the wide front weighs over the narrow?
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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a massey harris tricycle front end doesnt way much at all in under one
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Ihateillinoisnazis ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 15 Jan 2013 Location: By The Lake Points: 273 |
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That was a useful post, thank you for contributing to the forum. |
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firephight ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Location: st.louis Points: 320 |
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Fields ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 25 Apr 2011 Location: Reedsburg, Wi Points: 359 |
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The front weights are 120# for the early wc 180# for the wc -wd ones. and 320# for the wd45 ones a wide front is 350# the bloster for a wide 3 bolt is 130# a corn picker narrow front to bolt onto a wide is 57# with the hubs. I have the light one on mine. But have a 4 bolt bloster to fix up and put a corn picker conversion on it. Just to look trick since I've only seen 2 like that ever.
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wi50 ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 24 Sep 2010 Location: weegieland Points: 1010 |
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Firephite,
those rear wheels were some light pressed steel 9 bolt wheels that have been on the farm here forever used as duals on a small tractor for seeding. The centers were torn up, and I had bought a real nice set on an auction so I used the junky set for the Allis and moved the centers for a 60" tread spaceing when put on the WD-45 and welded the 8 bolt repair pattern in. They are from a John Deere, but I don't know what. A trip to the sandblaster and the tire shop, some new tubes, switching 2 pairs of tires and a pile of my time.
I never weighed the fronts, but I know the narrow front I took out of the WD-45 is HEAVY. That tractor pictured weighs about 3800# with no weights and a 190# driver on it. Nothing's stripped off, and just a little added weight for the front and center weight brackets. We don't have much around here for light classes, most places start at 4500# and up, once in a while there's a 4000#. The tracks are hard enough that you need to add the weight to the front anyway.
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"see what happens when you have no practical experience doing something...... you end up playing with calculators and looking stupid on the internet"
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Kip-Utah ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Southern Utah Points: 874 |
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You will NOT find new replacement RC wheels. B/C, WC/WD...but not RC. Getting tougher to find serviceable used ones. I think that there would be enough demand from WC,WD,D17 tractor pullers that someone like Miller Tire would gear up and make them. This wheel is nothing more than a B/C wheel with the larger hub hole and bolt pattern of a WC. Kip. You do have the option of after market aluminum wheels if they are allowed and you don't mind the look! Kip
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HANSEN'S OLD ORANGE IRON. Showing, Pulling, & Going!!
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Glockhead SWMI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: South West Mich Points: 2657 |
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Anyone have a picture of an early wc versus the wd 45? Where did they put the extra weight? I'll have to put mine side by side someday.
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Larry(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Shreve Ohio Points: 1577 |
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I have an extra early front pedestal. There is more meat around the rear of it..more solid or straight across the back. on the early WC, the one "corner" so to speak is missing. I have never weighed them side by side, just was told the they are lighter so I picked another one up at an auction one day. I'll get a pic tonight...if I remember
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Glockhead SWMI ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: South West Mich Points: 2657 |
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I have a 35 wc at home. If I remember I'll take a look at that. I think that there is a lot more casting on the back of the 45 pedestal now that I was looking at pictures.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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All of them are heavier than the massey harris
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firephight ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 16 Sep 2012 Location: st.louis Points: 320 |
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rules state has to be original or aftermarket parts reproducton for that make of tractor!
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Well if you dont tell them they will never know it let alone look for it
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Rod B ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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Maybe he's an honest man unlike you. |
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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He needs to walk away from pulling then if he isnt willing to work within the grey areas of rules. Rules are only as good as the tech enforcing them.however on the front end unless he rolls the drops and run his draw bar long he will end up putting every bit of weight he removes from the nose back on the nose. The only place i ever removed weight and keep it off was in the wheels and tires engine and middle (trany area) of tractor. One can be surprised what the tubes and liners in each tire weighs.
I even change the solid steering round stock out to 1/2 schedule 80 black iron pipe One will also be surprised how rolling ghe drops keeps the nose pulled to the ground. Edited by mlpankey - 02 Apr 2013 at 7:01pm |
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Rod B ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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It doesn't seam to grey at all. "Original or aftermarket parts for that model tractor".
You're giveing stupid advice with the Massey Harris bs. Give good advice like machining the front hubs to accept a different bolt pattern front rim. It's easy to drill a new bolt pattern in some front hubs. Probably not easy for a pankey though. |
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Gary in da UP ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EUP of Mi. Points: 1885 |
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I have never, ever felt the need to add rake to my pullers, and wonder about its real world benefits. Just get your weights right !
As for panky , you stay in your grey area, your grey matter is of no help here. Most people I pull with play by the rules, and when you win playing by the rules , it should bring satisfaction, cheat to win,? what a hollow victory.... feel sorry for those who stoop to that.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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Theres not a tech man around looking at front pedestals. If you read the post above your last you will see that its pretty much useless to do and if your going go and do it you might as well get the maximum weight reduction for effort and thats simply a massey harris pedestal .time you fabricate the plate to hold the factory wd correct front weights its covered where no one can tell
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Gary in da UP ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: EUP of Mi. Points: 1885 |
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Mitch, I'm only gonna say this once, don't encourage others on this forum to be deceptive, or cheat.Only loosers who are wanna be winners would justify it as OK, and its not.
Mr Moderator has warned against lieing, and other things unacceptable here, take heed.
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Rod B ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 25 Jul 2011 Location: Peoria Points: 415 |
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Mitch knows more about lying and cheating. But nothing about winning.
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mlpankey ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 13 Sep 2009 Location: Vols country Points: 4580 |
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He said the rules said it had to be original or factory replacement for that make of tractor.so if we want to be honest rc wheels would be cheating cause they were used on a rc and not the make of tractor model he is running. How technical.on a technicality are we going to make of interpretation. Its pretty hard to cover up a change in wheel size
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LeonR2013 ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 01 Jan 2013 Location: Fulton, Mo Points: 3500 |
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