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how to lower the front of my wd-45 ?

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    Posted: 30 Mar 2013 at 9:44am
Wanting to lowere the front for pulling how do others do it? My tractor is a tricycle front.
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smaller front tires and wheels or taller back tires . your really not worried about height you should be concerned with the degree of rake.

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Put smaller 15" rims off a RC and 4.00x15 tires on. Worked well on our WC. Kip
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  A set of 38" rears will do it, I got a new set of rear wheels to go on mine, adapters should be done mid week, I will post a pic when I get everyhing mounted.
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rc fronts 5.00-15 and 15.5-38 rear.
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Here's a pic of my WD-45 with some free 15.5X38 tires I scored, I cut the 9 bolt pattern out and welded an 8 bolt repair center in, the regular 5-15 fronts.
 
 
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote firephight Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2013 at 9:25am
Who sells repacement Rc rims? can't find them any place. I was thinking about having a set of " c " front hubs machined to fit the wd front spindle or have the spindle turned down to fit the smaller hubs
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Originally posted by wi50 wi50 wrote:

Here's a pic of my WD-45 with some free 15.5X38 tires I scored, I cut the 9 bolt pattern out and welded an 8 bolt repair center in, the regular 5-15 fronts.
 

 


 
what were these rims originally on?
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Do you know how much more the wide front weighs over the narrow?
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a massey harris tricycle front end doesnt way much at all in under one
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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

a massey harris tricycle front end doesnt way much at all in under one


That was a useful post, thank you for contributing to the forum.
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Originally posted by Ihateillinoisnazis Ihateillinoisnazis wrote:

Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

a massey harris tricycle front end doesnt way much at all in under one


That was a useful post, thank you for contributing to the forum.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fields Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Apr 2013 at 7:52pm
 The front weights are 120#  for the early wc 180# for the wc -wd ones. and 320# for the wd45 ones a wide front is 350#  the bloster for a wide 3 bolt is 130# a corn picker narrow front to bolt onto a wide is 57# with the hubs. I have the light one on mine. But have a 4 bolt bloster to fix up and put a corn picker conversion on it. Just to look trick since I've only seen 2 like that ever.
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Firephite,
those rear wheels were some light pressed steel 9 bolt wheels that have been on the farm here forever used as duals on a small tractor for seeding.  The centers were torn up, and I had bought a real nice set on an auction so I used the junky set for the Allis and moved the centers for a 60" tread spaceing when put on the WD-45 and welded the 8 bolt repair pattern in.  They are from a John Deere, but I don't know what.  A trip to the sandblaster and the tire shop, some new tubes, switching 2 pairs of tires and a pile of my time. 
 
 
I never weighed the fronts, but I know the narrow front I took out of the WD-45 is HEAVY.  That tractor pictured weighs about 3800# with no weights and a 190# driver on it.  Nothing's stripped off, and just a little added weight for the front and center weight brackets.  We don't have much around here for light classes, most places start at 4500# and up, once in a while there's a 4000#.  The tracks are hard enough that you need to add the weight to the front anyway. 
 


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You will NOT find new replacement RC wheels. B/C, WC/WD...but not RC. Getting tougher to find serviceable used ones. I think that there would be enough demand from WC,WD,D17 tractor pullers that someone like Miller Tire would gear up and make them. This wheel is nothing more than a B/C wheel with the larger hub hole and bolt pattern of a WC. Kip. You do have the option of after market aluminum wheels if they are allowed and you don't mind the look! Kip
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Anyone have a picture of an early wc versus the wd 45? Where did they put the extra weight? I'll have to put mine side by side someday.
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I have an extra early front pedestal.  There is more meat around the rear of it..more solid or straight across the back.  on the early WC, the one "corner" so to speak is missing.  I have never weighed them side by side, just was told the they are lighter so I picked another one up at an auction one day.  I'll get a pic tonight...if I remember
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I have a 35 wc at home. If I remember I'll take a look at that. I think that there is a lot more casting on the back of the 45 pedestal now that I was looking at pictures.
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All of them are heavier than the massey harris
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rules state has to be original or aftermarket parts reproducton for that make of tractor!
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Well if you dont tell them they will never know it let alone look for it
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Originally posted by mlpankey mlpankey wrote:

Well if you dont tell them they will never know it let alone look for it


Maybe he's an honest man unlike you.
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He needs to walk away from pulling then if he isnt willing to work within the grey areas of rules. Rules are only as good as the tech enforcing them.however on the front end unless he rolls the drops and run his draw bar long he will end up putting every bit of weight he removes from the nose back on the nose. The only place i ever removed weight and keep it off was in the wheels and tires engine and middle (trany area) of tractor. One can be surprised what the tubes and liners in each tire weighs.
I even change the solid steering round stock out to 1/2 schedule 80 black iron pipe
One will also be surprised how rolling ghe drops keeps the nose pulled to the ground.

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It doesn't seam to grey at all. "Original or aftermarket parts for that model tractor".

You're giveing stupid advice with the Massey Harris bs.

Give good advice like machining the front hubs to accept a different bolt pattern front rim. It's easy to drill a new bolt pattern in some front hubs. Probably not easy for a pankey though.
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 I have never, ever felt the need to add rake to my pullers, and wonder about its real world benefits.  Just get your weights right !
 As for panky , you stay in your grey area, your grey matter is of no help here.  Most people I pull with play by the rules, and when you win playing by the rules , it should bring satisfaction, cheat to win,? what a hollow victory.... feel sorry for those who stoop to that.
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Theres not a tech man around looking at front pedestals. If you read the post above your last you will see that its pretty much useless to do and if your going go and do it you might as well get the maximum weight reduction for effort and thats simply a massey harris pedestal .time you fabricate the plate to hold the factory wd correct front weights its covered where no one can tell

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Mitch, I'm only gonna say this once, don't encourage others on this forum to be deceptive, or cheat.Only loosers who are wanna be winners would justify it as OK, and its not. 
 Mr Moderator has warned  against lieing, and other things unacceptable here,   take heed.
 
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Mitch knows more about lying and cheating. But nothing about winning.
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He said the rules said it had to be original or factory replacement for that make of tractor.so if we want to be honest rc wheels would be cheating cause they were used on a rc and not the make of tractor model he is running. How technical.on a technicality are we going to make of interpretation. Its pretty hard to cover up a change in wheel size

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