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    Posted: 06 Jan 2022 at 12:37pm
So situation is my mother just turned 90. Still lives at home alone. Can get around, but is not steady and needs someone to keep an eye on her.....plus do light housekeeping and some cooking. We have some ladies hired, and they take turns and go home around 8PM. Most of the time, they are just sitting around.

Has anyone come up with a better solution? The ideal would seem to be to find an otherwise compatible person.....one who is on fixed income......maybe just getting by......and move them in permanent. Mom lives alone, but has a spare bedroom.

Seems like it would be an advantage to both. Person moving in could ditch their digs.....no rent or payments.....no utilities......no food, etc, plus get paid money to just live there and look after things. Seems it would be a win-win for both.

Mom is not alone. There are several ladies and gents I know who are just like her. Not good enough to live alone........not bad enough to need skilled nursing home care.

So how does one go about finding such a person? One who is reliable and trustworthy?


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My mother just turned 90 and moved into a " retirement home"... I visited and it looks loke a hotel with very wide hallways.. One floor, no steps.. They have a cafeteria , game room, and other.  She was against it 5 years ago, but after COVID and the lockdowns, she wanted to be around MORE PEOPLE... Its not a huge place.. Maybe  100 people total. Most are like you said, self sufficient, just need someone checking on them every few hours. I live out of state so its a lot easier on my sister who did all the shopping, hauling, travel, etc... Mom seemed REAL HAPPY to have a couple dozen similar FRIENDS to talk to , play card games, crafts, and meals.

I see your rational for being at home, and haveing a "live in " friend.. That would work for a few more years if you can find the help... Not sure how you go about that.
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OH... and the "retirement home" gives each new person a "TEST" upon entering.. They determine your mental and physical capability and how much "assistance" you will need. Sister said they did a great job making sure everyone FIT IN.
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She has lived in that house for close to 70 years now, so is wanting to stay as long as she can. Dad died there in the living room about 4 years ago. He was in same boat as her until one day he wasn't. Just dropped off almost overnight. Went from getting around to confined to bed and needing help 24/7. With help from my mother and one sister, and skilled nursing care, he lasted another 3 months there. Consensus was it was a great way to go. Same food he was used to.....all manner of visitors......nobody had to drive 20 miles one way......everyday.....to visit him.

But she has no such backup. When she can't fend for herself most of the time........she will have to go to a skilled nursing home to die. Sucks.....but that is the way it is.

When my time comes, I'm hoping to drop dead where I stand someday. Getting sent to a nursing home would be my worst nightmare.
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And no reflection on retirement home or skilled nursing home care. For the most part, they all do a good job.

For me, it would be the dignity of life part of it. Hate to be dependent on anyone.....or a burden to anyone. Me personally, once I get to that point, I'm done. Time to get on with it.
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Agree with you. But, will you still be be cognizant at that point to know? Have seen that happen. That’s what scares me the most. Also know of a couple that feared to retire to a place like that but once there really liked it. Each person is different. No fun no matter how you slice it.
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We had both of her parents in assisted living. When covid happened, were no longer allowed to visit. Both were pretty good in March of 2020 when I saw them last. Both were dead by Christmas of 2020 and were not able to see them until they passed to make positive ID. I wouldn’t want it to be that way.

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My mother lived in a assisted living till covid hit and she caught it and ended up in a Covid rest home., then when see was over it she went to a local rest home and was happy there till they closed because of a lack of help. Now she in another rest home 25 miles away because that the only place that had room. She will be 95 this February and is doing good.
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It varies by individual where my mom lives.. Some are very independant and some need help every couple hours. Mom lives in (retirement home) an apartment maybe 600 sq ft. Has a small kitchen / living room/ dining room with a refrig and microwave - no stove.  One bedroom and one bathroom.. Compact .... You get up when you want . The post crafts / trips / entertainment visitors on the board so you can go to the game / craft area at the right time , if you want.. Trips to local store on the small bus, if your capable...Seems to be perfect for mom.. A lot of people to talk to / card games ... she still feels independant ...

Like modirt said, thats not for me.. I need to be out at the farm... Hope when the time comes i go 1-2-3 .... Not long term in bed.
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My own somewhat personal experience (a relative's aunt on the other side of the family) was this couple moved in as "care givers" so she could stay in her house. I don't think my relative and her family did a very good job of vetting these people but took their word as they "were a nice couple". He worked full time and her job was to care for the aunt to live there rent free with food and utilities provided/paid for. The aunt was sharp mentally but had minor mobility issues and they thought it would be a good idea to have someone there all the time in case she fell. 

Big old 4 square house with no bathroom on the main level. Found out they basically locked her upstairs, she had a commode on the main floor but they didn't like dumping/cleaning it. Shortly after moving in he was no longer employed. Blew threw the monthly budget getting who knows what and then asked for more to pay the bills that needed to be paid. Getting them kicked out was a nightmare as they had established "residency" and had a contract for them to be there providing care, what type of care wasn't specified. 

She is now in the nursing home but her health is beyond living at home by herself even with an aid, yet she still keeps asking when she is going back home. Sad situation.

Do your homework, check and recheck references especially if you don't know them.  Maybe some legal advice on the type of care and responsibilities of the care givers (are they going to drive your mom around-- gas/vehicle expenses?), what you are providing, what they will provide,  and what happens to the person(s) if and when your mom no longer lives in the home. 
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My own Mother passed at 64 in 1991, so all us boys became the caretakers of our Mom's Mom, our Grandma.  Failed to press the point she needed CONSTANT Care and controlled environment as we had to install a Electronic Thermostat to keep her from dialing it Down in Winter and WAY Up in summer.   Was in her 80s as Mom passed, and alone where Mom (Only Child) had been her intermittent companion having outlived all but one sis and ALL her old friends.  

Tried the Home Care for a short time, the WHINING of Costs too Much, chasing the staff members out of HER house, constantly having one of us to come over to direct 'The Help' and so on.  She would INSIST on using a ANCIENT Gas stove to warm leftovers walking away from a ON Burner, like to had set her house on fire a few times then we made her Stove 'Broken' with NO repair Parts anymore (Turned OFF Gas).  She then had a series of Microwave ovens she destroyed by placing a metal spoon in a bowl or coffee cup and then into the MW Oven.

FINALLY at 98 she convinced herself needed to go to a care center, but SHE would choose, we got that part done where having been essentially house bound for over 35 years was a handful to get situated.  INSISTED even as not agile enough to access a car for very long to see her old house, KNEW it was GONE destroyed.  Had to just keep convincing her was still right where she left it for MONTHS.  It was finally her decision to sell it and allow the money placed in her care account.  She was going blind (for those 35 years), pretty well deaf and had grown seriously feeble, even at that made 101 just shy of 102 Birthday.

Our Dad on the Other Hand had us come get the little stuff He and Mom had put back for us as remembrances then sold off nearly everything else and then the old house at 74 years old, entered a Assisted Living Center ON HIS OWN Volition, stayed there until strokes took him away from the world.  He made 82 there.
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Originally posted by iowallis iowallis wrote:

My own somewhat personal experience (a relative's aunt on the other side of the family) was this couple moved in as "care givers" so she could stay in her house. I don't think my relative and her family did a very good job of vetting these people but took their word as they "were a nice couple". He worked full time and her job was to care for the aunt to live there rent free with food and utilities provided/paid for. The aunt was sharp mentally but had minor mobility issues and they thought it would be a good idea to have someone there all the time in case she fell. 

Big old 4 square house with no bathroom on the main level. Found out they basically locked her upstairs, she had a commode on the main floor but they didn't like dumping/cleaning it. Shortly after moving in he was no longer employed. Blew threw the monthly budget getting who knows what and then asked for more to pay the bills that needed to be paid. Getting them kicked out was a nightmare as they had established "residency" and had a contract for them to be there providing care, what type of care wasn't specified. 

She is now in the nursing home but her health is beyond living at home by herself even with an aid, yet she still keeps asking when she is going back home. Sad situation.

Do your homework, check and recheck references especially if you don't know them.  Maybe some legal advice on the type of care and responsibilities of the care givers (are they going to drive your mom around-- gas/vehicle expenses?), what you are providing, what they will provide,  and what happens to the person(s) if and when your mom no longer lives in the home. 


Thank you for that advice. All points we had not considered. Sounds like moving someone in a very bad idea. Bad enough inviting strangers in....even for work.

For now, a patchwork of 4 or 5 ladies working part time. They come and go. That may be the best path forward until that isn't good enough, then a rest home. 

A dozen grand kids, 3X that great grands, but all of them either working good jobs or in school. No slackers in the family needing help or a roof over their head so willing to stay with Granny. Probably a good thing.


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Great post.
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We’re going through it as we speak.
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Originally posted by modirt modirt wrote:

Thank you for that advice. All points we had not considered. Sounds like moving someone in a very bad idea. Bad enough inviting strangers in....even for work.

For now, a patchwork of 4 or 5 ladies working part time. They come and go. That may be the best path forward until that isn't good enough, then a rest home. 

A dozen grand kids, 3X that great grands, but all of them either working good jobs or in school. No slackers in the family needing help. Probably a good thing.

Didn't mean to scare you off from the idea. Just make sure you have your Is crossed and your Ts dotted.

My uncle who lived into his late 90s moved to an assisted living apartment. 2 rooms plus a bath, small kitchenette. Room to bring his own bed, favorite chair, and personal mementoes from home. Either cooked his own food or get the meal provided. He was able to interact with other "active seniors" which I think did him good mentality. The family was able to keep his house and he would "go visit" every few weekends and spend most of the day there. Neighbors and relatives that lived in the area mowed the lawn/moved snow, got the junk mail, moved stuff around and other things to make it looked lived in. All the valuables were removed from the house and a security system/cameras installed. When the kids/grandkids who lived a distance away would come and visit they would stay there. Sadly when his health became so bad he needed to move to a traditional nursing home you could almost see the life going out of him. That being said my cousin had to move into a traditional nursing home after some serious health issues and being single/no one at home to care for him and poor he had no choice. And he loves it, 3 squares a day, people to talk to (he loves to talk), and not a care in the world.
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 Gosh,,as I read all these stories of HOW everyone tries to take care of our parents, Grandparents,,,I know there are lots of very difficult decisions that have to be made to take care of those that brought us into this world.
 I am reminded of my wife that was almost in constant Fear and Anguish at the very thought of having to go soon to a nursing home. Since I had been taking care of her every need for the last 2 years 24/7, I kept trying to convince her that it was for her own good health. I finally realized how very much she hated the thought of leaving our home and going to a nursing home,,and I had to agree to continue keeping her at our home and taking care of her myself.
 Some folks can fit right in with all new "Friends" and some just cannot. Most do not want to leave their memories of years past in their homes to go make new ones with strangers.
 Lots of very difficult decisions should be discussed long before it is time that you have to.
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Holy crap am I ever depressed now.  

Mom 85, extremely feeble, losing cognitive abilities.  Dad 84, extreme pain 24-7.  Does his best to take care of mom, but can't lift her and tug her around anymore.  He cooks, does dishes, takes her to appointments, AND insists on helping me by watering cattle, making grain truck runs, running the combine some, making road trips for me getting feed and stuff.  But I know this whole deal is borrowed time.  I can't imagine the crushing sadness that looms when we have to put him or her or them in a home..........
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Tbone... you might be suprised.. Once my mom got to the point that she could not drive and go to swimming class, square dances, and was basically STUCK in the house waiting for people to visit, things changed....... She was not 100% convinced about the retirement place, but once there and talking to ALL THE OTHERS who were in the same boat .... she loves it.
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

Tbone... you might be suprised.. Once my mom got to the point that she could not drive and go to swimming class, square dances, and was basically STUCK in the house waiting for people to visit, things changed....... She was not 100% convinced about the retirement place, but once there and talking to ALL THE OTHERS who were in the same boat .... she loves it.
You are correct in that I would be surprised, mighty surprised.

Because I'm not just talking about the sadness of my father, but the sadness in me at the time should it come.

Had a brief "rehearsal" for such a day a couple years ago.  Dad had a knee replaced, mom wasn't quite so feeble then, but in no way able to help dad get around, so we thought it best to have him admitted to a nursing facility for REHAB for the first couple weeks anyway.  I was the "lucky" one to pick him up at the hospital at discharge from the surgery and took him to the home.  Even as totally whacked out on painkillers for the ride, the tears streamed down his face as I was ready to leave as he recounted to me how the hardest day of his life was when he dropped his father off at a nursing home.  (and, long story, but grandpa was gone within 6 weeks of that)  I told him well, this is completely different circumstances than that, this is just a couple of weeks to literally get you back on your feet.  Didn't help much.

Won't get into some of the horrendous care that happened. . . .but we had him back in about 3 days.

As for waiting for people to visit, well, they still live in the house on the farm that I farm.  I see them every morning when I change out my boots and coat from morning chores to go to my day job.  Then in the evenings, do my chores, usually visit for at least 1/2 hour sometimes longer, sometimes dad has cooked enough dinner for me when the wife is working.  Weekends I almost always have a sandwich with them for lunches.  Whereas, nearest low level assisted living place is 10 miles away, and will have to restructure my life to go visit, which I probably will, but won't be the same.

Not trying to argue with you in any way, that's just my take on my situation, and it isn't pleasant.
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Unsure of your location but here a neighbor found a program through a college that paired students in need of housing to seniors wanting help . 
  She was set up with 2 students to live in and help with household and care in exchange for rooms - Shared expenses on food and students provided with home environment.
 Individuals were screened by college program , for compatibility and matched as part of program was religious based also in compatibility so offered and checked through local church to match. 
 She used this program for 6 years to help her and the students. 

Had a relative in Canada (BC area) who lived in a unit that had efficiency 1 bedroom apartments built in block of 24 units - each with own outside entrance but central hall inside with meeting room and cafeteria area for those who needed it . Kiwanians sponsored the units, and was next to independent living yet supervised . Residents could come and go or have people in as guests without any hassle .      
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My late wife develobed leukimia from the drug they treated her breast cancer with-  sadly ate up all her white blood cells- Barnes in St Louis took charge- then in June the same year they screwed up her brain with drugs ext,, said shes all good - shoved her to a nursing home to die - sent her back , 4 days before she died- the gal doctor told me - theres no hope - its all about the money folks
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My M.I.L. is over 65.  She receives Medicare and Medicaid.  MI has a home care for people where you can get assistance for a lot of household care.  There are companies that have people working for them that go to these homes and perform the necessary tasks.  She has a real nice one bedroom apartment which she pays under $200 a month for it.  She pays around $40 a month for her utilities.  She gets another check each month for buying food which is close to $200.  It's not a lavish luxury life, but she is very comfortable, and receives everything she needs.  You just gotta check your states benefits to see what your elderly are eligible for.
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Fortunate to have my Dad come live with us.  He was hard of hearing, blind in one eye and losing sight in the other.  Moved him in same day as my Mom's unexpected passing.  He wanted to go back home but it just wasn't feasible....and the longer he was here, and with the modifications we made, he increasingly grew to like it.  Learned real quick not to take him back to his house for "visits" but we also didn't sell his house until after his passing.  Was a comfort to him to know he had it as "his back-up".
Got to be very careful with the In-Home Caregiver visitors and especially anyone coming to live permanent.  Have an Aunt that moved in with another (sisters) and they about kill each other.  Have a Cousin that does in-home care on extended basis and she says the older people will always get on something to bicker or get paranoid about...stealing their money, things, trying to kill them etc.
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It's sad to read such stories. As we age, we will all be somewhat helpless and need care. Starting from 70, my father needed more help in everyday life. Then I learned that an exciting scientific hobby allows older adults to preserve their memory and everyday independence. We taught Dad how to use Internet platforms for communication, and now he loves the site very much: https://activeseniorsinc.org/useful-links.And the aging of his brain stopped. Moreover, he is now more cheerful than when he was 55.


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Don’t know what we’re gonna do yet?
Mom is doing a lot of what Scott posted about. Always getting broke in to, people stealing and my sister-in-law trying to kill her.
She doesn’t want to go to a home . We live far from town. Brother still lets her drive.
A watched her back out in to the hiway some time back. Luckily a guy coming down the hiway saw what was happening and got slowed to a stop.
Took her a minute to get it in drive and rolling. I was scared to the point of being sick.
It’s a very small community and people all know her and are very helpful.
We do have a small country store out here. Always old timers in there drinking coffee. They and the people that work there are truly a Godsend.
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I'm so glad I found this forum! I've been struggling with deciding whether to put my mother in an assisted living facility for the past few months, and it's been a tough decision. My mother is in her early 70s and has been having some health issues that have made it difficult for her to live independently. I've been trying to take care of her as much as possible, but it's become increasingly difficult. I work full time and have my own family to take care of, so I can't be there for her 24/7. I've been doing a lot of research using seniorsite.org on assisted living facilities in my area and finally found one that I think will be a good fit for her. The facility I found is called The Oaks, a small, family-owned assisted living facility. The staff is very friendly and seems to care about their residents.

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  Well, from recent experience with my wifelike someone said, there are several issues and differences in aall homes, It is an extreme decision to "force" kinfolks into assisted living unless they WANT to. My wife hated even the thought of going to a nursing home, and I finally got her to say WHY,,,, Her Mother was put in a nursing home in North Dakota AGAINST her wishes, because her daughter was working and her mother was wheel chair  bound and required full time care. She never passed up an opportunity to tell my wife how "Terrible" it was to live in somebody elses house when she had HER home. Every time we went to visit, we would go visit her and that nursing home was always clean and the residents were always doing something like sewing, playing cards or reading . Place was always clean. She just did not want to be there and made no effort to make friends. All the time wew were there, she would constantly ask my wife to get her out of there,,,,Just plumb HeartBreaking,,,!! Add that to the fact that her son and daughter would omly go visit her once a week and most times not at all. 
 This is a very HARD issue to resolve,  so Greatest LUCK to those struggling with this.
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 The local assisted living facility that my mother was in was great, they took them for rides and always had something for them to do, when her money ran out she ended up in a rest home and they are taking good care of her, she's 95.
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So since this post was made we moved my mother in to assisted living. It was a very nice place not far from home.
2 story and moms apartment upstairs.
She can never find her room.
She got in trouble for going in the wrong room several times. She really didn’t like the place at all.
We never know what goes on behind closed doors. One lady that works there complained about mom constantly others really liked her.
We were asked to move her about 3 months ago.
We had to put her in a lock down home.
It’s not a very nice place in my opinion and farther from home.
She likes it better for whatever reason.
She seems to be much happier.
She has a brother close that goes to see her often.
She sees my brother and I less but gets more family besides us to visit.
I was able to go to the other place every night. Now I go about twice a week.
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  Well, Thad,,I feel for you and do wish things were better for you and your Mother. Most times we do not seem to be able to think like our parents and truth be known,,as long as they are satisfied with events, we prolly should accept how they choose. I guess that as long as they don't hurt themselves, one can only go along to keep them happy. We tend to NOT find out what they really want because they ARE so independent both in their thoughts and actions,,huh,,,?
 Lots of luck with your Momma, My Friend, and tell her we all are thinking of her and her Sons.
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