here we go again!

More and more monopolies are being allowed (look at Monsanto with 90% of the seed business) so who knows what the government will allow. Maybe they'll have to sell off big parts of either AGCO......oops excuse me I mean Massey Ferguson or CNH. If these companies are supposedly global then who makes the decision of what they would be allowed to keep? 

My Grandpa had a saying "Talk is cheap but it takes money to buy whiskey" and that sums up this artical to a T. How does david buy goliath??? Also when NH bought out Case IH, they had to get rid of the 4wd, and Genisis line to Bueler, The Case small tractors went to McCormick, Hesston had to previously be disposed of to Agco when fiat bought New Holland originally, plus numerous othe smaller lines had to be spun off to allow the anti trust, and monoply laws to not stop the aquisition. So if there was any merit in this , what would be left? There was talk that Fiat wanted out of CaseIH and be solely New Holland again, I could see something like that.....maybe, but even than it would need alot more resourses than Agco has.

KC grain nailed it.  I can see why AGCO suddenly needs CaseIH, they aren't selling tractors in NA.  Of course they could just have promoted AC, I don't think Case ever outsold AC until they bought IH, a year before AC went under.  IMHO, the best thing AGCO could do is clean house in upper management, bring back the Orange tractors, along with an orange line of machinery, dump Challenger wheeled tractors and let MF be the small tractor line they have excelled at in the past.  If they want to do things different  in Europe and SA, more power to them, but don't mess with NA.

I don't want to start a big war on here, but this is an "old" allis website and I think we need to be concerned about part availability to keep the orange alive.  All this anti-AGCO talk concerns me with regard to getting parts in the future.  If you do not plan to purchase new equipment from AGCO or anyone else, then all this negativity is nothing more than babble.  If you farm and buy new equipment, then you have every right to be concerned.  For the rest of us hobby farmers and tractor collectors, simply keeping the orange alive is a priority.  No matter who buys whom or vice versa, business is business and preserving history is just that.  We have 3 AGCO tractors that we purchased new and all 3 are great.  I bleed orange and hate what is happening, but it is what it is and you vote with your wallet.  Please support your remaining AGCO dealers and keep the OLD orange alive. 

Another food for thought, is this a ploy for the dictator to try and get this done and walk away with a large golden parachute? At the least, I believe it is to get Wall street and the press focused away from his lackluster performance. There could be a silver lining in this deal if the stars lined up correctly however, if it went through and AGCO was forced to sell the Hesston operation along with Gleaner, Hesston and White planter. This would give a little hope again.

Dream.  How can you say that Agco ruined Oliver and MM?  Did those brands not die out in the early 70's.  I think 1972.  Agco came into existence in the early 90's after a management buy out of Deutz Allis.  They bought the White line around 93.  That is 20 years later.

The guys with all those Red tractors with black stripes will be PO'd, can't see any good to come of this except to boost JD sales and prices.

The only good I can see coming from the acquisition on CNH would be a much larger crowd expressing their displeasure. Maybe then there will be some changes in management.

Here is an updated link:

http://www.forexyard.com/en/news/EXCLUSIVE-Agco-CEO-says-CNH-deal-talk-was-theoretical-2010-12-10T002033Z-US-UPDATE-1


Edited by ac.d17iv - 10 Dec 2010 at 11:11am

Told you it was a stock stunt...

nowversatile wrote: Theoretical? This news release wasn't just theoretical, the story may be backfiring now and he rearranges words to take the heat off. Don't doubt him, this is his real intention and he is likely trying to soften up the opposition to it, and/or deflect attention to his disruptive management of the US market. This guy is a bullheaded snake in the grass!

I wonder if mr. Kellher, the reporter, has a farm background with Orange tractors?

Lets face it,  "theoretically" it's more likely Fiat would be looking at buying AGCO in a few years rather than the other way around.