This site is not affiliated with AGCO Inc., Duluth GA., Allis-Chalmers Co., Milwaukee, WI., or any surviving or related corporate entity. All trademarks remain the property of their respective owners. All information presented herein should be considered the result of an un-moderated public forum with no responsibility for its accuracy or usability assumed by the users and sponsors of this site or any corporate entity.
The Forum Parts and Services Unofficial Allis Store Tractor Shows Serial Numbers History
Forum Home Forum Home > Allis Chalmers > Farm Equipment
  New Posts New Posts
  FAQ FAQ  Forum Search   Events   Register Register  Login Login


help gleaner E in corn

 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
Author
Message
Alex09(WI) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 2012
Location: CECIL WI
Points: 1728
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alex09(WI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Topic: help gleaner E in corn
    Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 12:19am
I am using my Gleaner E combine in corn for the first time in a week and needs help with all the settings. What should the Wind, clearance, sives, etc. settings be?
www.awtractor.com
A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287
KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY
Back to Top
Sponsored Links


Back to Top
wayneIA View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 17 Oct 2009
Location: Waverly, IA
Points: 268
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote wayneIA Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 3:31am
I always set my chaffer and sieve by eye (if memory serves me right, I think the chaffer is 3/8"-1/2" and the sieve is 1/4"-3/8" for starters), on the air run as much as you can without blowing grain out the back.  To set the cylinder, start at about 3/4" and if the cobs aren't coming out in 1 piece generally in the rear, then open the cylinder a little more until you get whole cobs.  With the whole cob, unlike what the manual says to quarter the cob, you have the ability to pass the entire cob out over the straw walkers.  If you break the cob like the manual says to do, then the cob pieces go through the walkers and add more load to the chaffer to clean.  Cylinder speed if I remember right should be about midway on the variable for  starters on low speed sprocket.  Then speed the cylinder up until you start cracking corn, then slow it down a little to stop cracking.
Back to Top
MACK View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Points: 7664
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MACK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 7:42am
Take #1 concave off door, unless you have alot of rocks. #2 and 4 concaves,Cylinder 1/4", air near wide open,cylinder speed 400 500, chaffer 1/2 to 5/8, sieve 1/4 to 3/8.  MACK
Back to Top
Dmpaul89 View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Edwardsville,IL
Points: 1689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dmpaul89 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 8:35am
cob size and condition will affect things too. break a ear in half and look at the cob.   my corn went through good in my F but did some poor corn with tiny cobs for a guy once and completly clogged the chaffer and sieve with cob pieces. not fun...   
Back to Top
Tbone95 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 31 Aug 2012
Location: Michigan
Points: 12016
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tbone95 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 8:51am
Hahaha...there you have it! Set your cylinder to 3/4" and go up if needed, or, set it at 1/4"!

Not picking on anybody, I respect your opinions and experiences....it's just that....I love combine setting threads almost as much as Ford Chevy threads.
Back to Top
Dmpaul89 View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 06 Mar 2013
Location: Edwardsville,IL
Points: 1689
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Dmpaul89 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 9:00am
i dont think MACK meant 1/4" cylinder thats bean settings
Back to Top
Tbone95 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 31 Aug 2012
Location: Michigan
Points: 12016
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tbone95 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 9:01am
Originally posted by Dmpaul89 Dmpaul89 wrote:

i dont think MACK meant 1/4" cylinder thats bean settings


Well, I wouldn't think so either. But, stranger things have been said in Ford Ch, er, combine setting threads! Hahaha
Back to Top
SteveM C/IL View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Shelbyville IL
Points: 8521
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 10:11am
If you don't have walker screens,don't run whole cobs(3/4 clearance) or your walkers will be plugged with cobs.Don't think they made screens for E's so that's why you grind the cob and crank the air....like Mack said.
My A2 had narrow woven wire fence tied to walkers with bailing wire when I got it and that worked well.Settings should be in manual.Corn might be called maize.

Edited by SteveM C/IL - 04 Nov 2016 at 10:13am
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21483
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 10:58am
Walker screens from a K or F should fit an E.
Back to Top
Alex09(WI) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 2012
Location: CECIL WI
Points: 1728
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alex09(WI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 7:07pm
Thanks for the replys guys. I never thought to look for "maize" in the manual! I have the air wide open. clearance at 1/2". Air 3/4 open. Not sure what I have for cylinder speed. 80% of cobs are coming out the back in one piece. But I have half of the kernels are cracked or broken in the bin. How can I not crack the kernels?
www.awtractor.com
A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287
KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY
Back to Top
Skyhighballoon(MO) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 11 Sep 2009
Location: Pilot Grove, MO
Points: 3115
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Skyhighballoon(MO) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 04 Nov 2016 at 8:11pm
Combine settings for corn are usually in the corn head manuals, not the regular combine manual.   Mike

Edited by Skyhighballoon(MO) - 04 Nov 2016 at 8:11pm
1981 Gleaner F2 Corn Plus w 13' flex
1968 Gleaner EIII w 10' & 330
1969 180 gas
1965 D17 S-IV gas
1963 D17 S-III gas
1956 WD45 gas NF PS
1956 All-Crop 66 Big Bin
303 wire baler, 716H, 712H mowers
Back to Top
Lonn View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: Назарово,Russia
Points: 29792
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2016 at 7:19am
Originally posted by Alex09(WI) Alex09(WI) wrote:

Thanks for the replys guys. I never thought to look for "maize" in the manual! I have the air wide open. clearance at 1/2". Air 3/4 open. Not sure what I have for cylinder speed. 80% of cobs are coming out the back in one piece. But I have half of the kernels are cracked or broken in the bin. How can I not crack the kernels?
Is the corn dry? Sounds like it may be. Does it shell easy? Take a cob and toss it 10 feet into the corn head. Does it splash and send lots of kernels flying? If it does, first slow the cylinder down to 400 (get a photo tach or a hand held rubber tipped tach). Try it out then if you want to get most or all of the cobs out whole open the cylinder clearance a little at a time. Oh and remove a concave bar(s) according to the manual if still getting cracked corn.


Edited by Lonn - 05 Nov 2016 at 7:20am
-- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... -
Wink
I am a Russian Bot
Back to Top
MACK View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Points: 7664
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MACK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 05 Nov 2016 at 8:53pm
How many tooth sprocket is on cylinder drive? Did you gauge the cylinder clearance or go by gauges on side?   MACK
Back to Top
SteveM C/IL View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Shelbyville IL
Points: 8521
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 06 Nov 2016 at 4:49pm
corn under 18,2 concave would be all you need. Keep slowing cylinder til you start leaving kernels on cob then go back up a little.
Back to Top
Alex09(WI) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 2012
Location: CECIL WI
Points: 1728
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alex09(WI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2016 at 2:16pm
My corn is 15 to 18 moisturewise. My E was set up for oats before so I did slow the cylinder down but I don't have any tools to measure the speed. Will a tractor tach work?
MACK- I just go by the side gauges, but the 1/2" bolt is preventing me from opening the clearance more. If I take it out I could open it more.
www.awtractor.com
A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287
KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21483
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2016 at 2:34pm
You must change the driven sprocket on the cylinder from oats to corn. Even tho you slowed down the variable belt drive, it will still be waaaaaay too fast for corn.
Back to Top
SteveM C/IL View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Shelbyville IL
Points: 8521
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2016 at 9:23pm
YAHHH! oaTs are more like 1100 rpm,you should be 500ish. sprocket should be 10-12? inches
Back to Top
MACK View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Points: 7664
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MACK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2016 at 9:40pm
Put a 35 or 44 tooth sprocket on the cylinder shaft.
If cylinder is raised to the bolt, no wonder it is grinding corn. Let it down to get the corn out of cylinder. Yes, 1/4 will work on corn. Have took a lot of Gleaner to field set at 1/4. Yes it will bust the cob, but open the air and blow the cob out the back. Plus that corn bore winters in that cob and you have destroyed his winter home.   MACK
Back to Top
SteveM C/IL View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Shelbyville IL
Points: 8521
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 07 Nov 2016 at 11:06pm
Tou-shay! MACK! Never thought about wrecking the winter home....
Back to Top
Lonn View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 16 Sep 2009
Location: Назарово,Russia
Points: 29792
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lonn Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 5:57am
ug.......... winter Thumbs Down
-- --- .... .- -- -- .- -.. / .-- .- ... / .- / -- ..- .-. -.. . .-. .. -. --. / -.-. .... .. .-.. -.. / .-. .- .--. .. ... -
Wink
I am a Russian Bot
Back to Top
Tbone95 View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access
Avatar

Joined: 31 Aug 2012
Location: Michigan
Points: 12016
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Tbone95 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 6:49am
Originally posted by Lonn Lonn wrote:

ug.......... winter Thumbs Down



I heard that. Somehow...I'm totally not ready for that crap this year. But it's a comin'.
Back to Top
Alex09(WI) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 2012
Location: CECIL WI
Points: 1728
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alex09(WI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 6:53pm
Originally posted by MACK MACK wrote:

Put a 35 or 44 tooth sprocket on the cylinder shaft.
If cylinder is raised to the bolt, no wonder it is grinding corn. Let it down to get the corn out of cylinder. Yes, 1/4 will work on corn. Have took a lot of Gleaner to field set at 1/4. Yes it will bust the cob, but open the air and blow the cob out the back. Plus that corn bore winters in that cob and you have destroyed his winter home.   MACK

I have the 21 tooth sprocket. Which sprocket do I switch out with the cylinder one or do I have to buy a 35T one? Which concaves should I remove?
www.awtractor.com
A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287
KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21483
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 8:48pm
One change at a time!!!! slow down the %$#@ cylinder to where it should have been and see what you've got.
Back to Top
MACK View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Points: 7664
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MACK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 9:48pm
I would run #2 & 4. Look in cab and behind cab  for the 35 tooth sprocket. If you don't find it, I may have one.    MACK

Back to Top
SteveM C/IL View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Shelbyville IL
Points: 8521
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 08 Nov 2016 at 10:43pm
The one on the cylinder is the one you change.You will need a longer chain.If you find one at the farm supply with the right size bore,you can drill the 4 bolt holes.
Back to Top
Sugarmaker View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 12 Jul 2013
Location: Albion PA
Points: 8436
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Sugarmaker Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 09 Nov 2016 at 7:52am
Just amazing! I never ran a combine. Dad always set the old 66's when doing oats, wheat, or grass seeds. We never had a combine to do shelled corn. So I listen and read and understand there is some adjustments, some art and some difference in the corn being shelled. I was watching a big green machine combine corn the other night while I was deer hunting near by. Not sure what kind of machine it was? Wasnt a galvanized machine!
Regards,
Chris
D17 1958 (NFE), WD45 1954 (NFE), WD 1952 (NFE), WD 1950 (WFE), Allis F-40 forklift, Allis CA, Allis D14, Ford Jubilee, Many IH Cub Cadets, 32 Ford Dump, 65 Comet.
Back to Top
Alex09(WI) View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level
Avatar

Joined: 15 Mar 2012
Location: CECIL WI
Points: 1728
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Alex09(WI) Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 7:24pm
Well I am hopefully going to try my corn head tomorrow. No 35t sprocket. So I will have to run at 1/2 throttle to get the correct cylinder speed. I removed #1 concave, #2 is there, #3 is gone. I didn't realize that the corn header drive belt is different than the grain head, so my belt is too long. I will let you guys know how it goes. 
www.awtractor.com
A&W TRACTOR 920-598-1287
KEEPING ALLIS-CHALMERS IN THE FIELDS THROUGH THE 21ST CENTURY
Back to Top
SteveM C/IL View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Location: Shelbyville IL
Points: 8521
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote SteveM C/IL Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 8:45pm
separator won't separate worth crap at half throttle
Back to Top
MACK View Drop Down
Orange Level
Orange Level


Joined: 17 Nov 2009
Points: 7664
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote MACK Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 9:00pm
Governor will not work at 1/2 throttle. On the E, governor only works when throttle is all the way open.    MACK
Back to Top
DrAllis View Drop Down
Orange Level Access
Orange Level Access


Joined: 12 Sep 2009
Points: 21483
Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote DrAllis Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 14 Nov 2016 at 10:18pm
If you don't have a 35 or 44 tooth sprocket, leave it in the shed or quit complaining about cracked corn. If the combine isn't properly equipped it can't work right.
Back to Top
 Post Reply Post Reply Page  12>
  Share Topic   

Forum Jump Forum Permissions View Drop Down

Forum Software by Web Wiz Forums® version 11.10
Copyright ©2001-2017 Web Wiz Ltd.

This page was generated in 0.063 seconds.


Help Support the
Unofficial Allis Forum