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Yes, I did replace the coil and condenser a month ago. It still misses after warming up.

Today all I did was change the points. It is clean and not grounded. Only the condenser and coil are attached to the point.

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I did recheck everything. Not sure why, but I simply disassembled everything then put it back together. I was able to get a shock off the coil contact which was OK but not a hard snap of a shock. Must of had a contact and grounded out the coil somehow.

However, after timing the rotor gears there was nothing to the plug wires. I took off the distributor cap and with a screwdriver touching the coil contact, there was a shock. As well there is pressure on the cap contact rod, thus, I think this is OK.

Shop is hot and I am drenched. Back inside for a bit with a cold one.

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Earlier I watched a "youtube" rebuild and the shock they had was an arc of about 1/2". Not what I am getting.

Maybe a rebuild however, not to keen on the idea of $325.

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However, after reading the various threads, everyone who bought a rebuilt magneto mentioned it was a very good move.

The "youtube" on rebuilding a magneto mentioned "recharging" the magnets! Is that a thing?

Maybe that is why "my shock" is a pansy ass shock.

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i have several B tractors all with MAGS.. I have replaced coils and condeners and points as needed over the years.. I had ONE that was REAL STUBBORN on starting after a few years.. I took apart the the IMPULSE SPRINGs were weak and not retarding the spark to TDC when you crank.. It was OK when i turned by hand.. I finally got it to work "OK"..... couple months later there was a guy on this site going out of business and was selling his REBUILT MAGS... had  3 or 4... Said complete rebuild with RECHARGED MAGNET / new coil / NIS condenser / etc. ... so i bought it... WOW... what a difference.. Engine rolls over ONCE and its running.. HOT SPARK.. FANTASTIC... Never thought i would get that much DIFFERENCE !!

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Originally posted by CA13414 CA13414 wrote:

...The "youtube" on rebuilding a magneto mentioned "recharging" the magnets! Is that a thing?...

Yup, it is indeed a BIG thing. All else being equal, spark energy is (somewhat) proportional to magnet strength. And magnets lose strength as they age, requiring periodic re-charging. Back 'in the day' every significant tractor dealer had a magneto re-charging machine. I wish I owned one Smile
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Steve, so maybe a rebuild or different mag with a "recharged mag" will help?

Interesting. That may be the issue.

Dan

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Originally posted by Les Kerf Les Kerf wrote:

Originally posted by CA13414 CA13414 wrote:

...The "youtube" on rebuilding a magneto mentioned "recharging" the magnets! Is that a thing?...

Yup, it is indeed a BIG thing. All else being equal, spark energy is (somewhat) proportional to magnet strength. And magnets lose strength as they age, requiring periodic re-charging. Back 'in the day' every significant tractor dealer had a magneto re-charging machine. I wish I owned one Smile


Les, thanks for the comment. All that makes since. Maybe the rebuild with a magnet "re-charge" is a good option as you and Steve mentioned.

Much appreciated to everyone!

Dan

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Thinking about this and the role of the magnet..... to induce a current. If the magnet is weak, the induced current is weak, or for me a pansy ass spark.

Who here does a great job of "re-charging" a magneto?

As noted, I did find someone on the "internet" who does this but would feel more comfortable with someone here in the group who knows a good :re-charger!!!" :')


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Are the magnets "alnico"? Common 1950s magnet chemistry. Alnico loses strength over time. More modern use ceramic that don't lose strength.

If you buy a pair of strong rare earth magnets off temu/Amazon you can recharge the magneto magnets. Mount to a bench vice and run your magneto magnets between them.

Don't pinch your fingers.

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here are a few good photos... half way down the page is the "magnetizer" to recharge oil magnets... guy has a "HOME PAGE" button at the bottom..
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Here is recharging a guitar pickup magnets, made of alnico.

https://youtube.com/shorts/26zdiZ6xRhw

https://youtu.be/ufhUd4wkPMs

There used to be a video where strong magnets were stuck, setting correct polarity of each, to the faces of a vice to control the space to slip a magnet between and charge it up.

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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

here are a few good photos... half way down the page is the "magnetizer" to recharge oil magnets... guy has a "HOME PAGE" button at the bottom..




Thanks Steve, quite an amazing process. Is neat to see how we use to do this with the magnetizer.

I also went to his home page and saw the AC collection which was awesome! There was also a number of fun links.

Dan

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Originally posted by jvin248 jvin248 wrote:


Here is recharging a guitar pickup magnets, made of alnico.

https://youtube.com/shorts/26zdiZ6xRhw

https://youtu.be/ufhUd4wkPMs

There used to be a video where strong magnets were stuck, setting correct polarity of each, to the faces of a vice to control the space to slip a magnet between and charge it up.


Thanks for the links..... was neat to watch.
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Appreciate everyone's insight into the Magneto and lack of spark. Has been fun to learn from everyone. :')
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Despite the effort thus far in "rebuilding" the Magneto (cap, wires, points and etc), I decided to replace it with a distributor conversion kit. Will still try to re-magnetize the rotor just to do it.

This week, I ordered a drive unit and an electronic distributor from Steve at ""B&B Custom Circuits."

Excited to install this and get the CA back up and running!

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You will not regret switching to a pointless distributor Smile
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Dan the man!  Your order went out this morning (Sat) and is heading to you. I sent the tracking to your home email.  Thank you!
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Thanks Steve!

I am, as we message, rewiring for power to the distributor vs. it being a ground to the Mag.

Is a simple change to a 12V terminal on the toggle switch.

Will upload a few photos later.

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Originally posted by Les Kerf Les Kerf wrote:

You will not regret switching to a pointless distributor Smile
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Finally installed the original tail light. I looks awesome and works well with the push pull light switch that we put together last summer.

I have wanted to install an Emergency rotating strobe light for road travel. There was already an extra hole in the fender, in front of original tail light. Thus, I drilled that out and put on the bracket for a rotating strobe light.. Can simply slip the light on or off the bracket as needed.

My goal is to make sure I am noticeable, when on the road, to iPhone distracted drivers!!!




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Works awesome, with the push-pull light switch.




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Finally, opened up the “key and switch box” and moved the "Magneto ground wire" to the 12V toggle contact to supply power to the distributor that Steve at B&B sent.

Now when the key switch is on and the toggle is switched on, the distributor coil will be powered.



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