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 Posted: 11 Jun 2024 at 10:07pm |
That makes sense. If it is too thick, we run the risk of a loose bearing which will not be good. With this, i think a good layer of PermaTex on all the surfaces will do the trick.
Regarding the seal, a great idea. i will look and see if I can find one. It seams like this is leaking carrier. I will drain the oil before we remove and once removed see if I can tell it is "running" or "leaking" from the seal or the carrier.
Thanks for all in insight Steve...... Much appreciated!!
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CA13414
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Posted: 12 Jun 2024 at 8:17am |
What do you think about something like this. I will get my calipers and measure the shims. If it’s approximately 1/64 would you replace the shims with this gasket? https://www.mcmaster.com/product/9402K21
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 12 Jun 2024 at 1:38pm |
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the gasket is only 1/16 inch thick so it probably will not compress much.. But if your using 3-4 of them between all the shims, the "compression" can add up.. I still like the permatex idea better.. Compress once and your done... plus , your only putting it on 2 thousandths thick..
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Posted: 12 Jun 2024 at 7:10pm |
 steve(ill) wrote:
the gasket is only 1/16 inch thick so it probably will not compress much.. But if your using 3-4 of them between all the shims, the "compression" can add up.. I still like the permatex idea better.. Compress once and your done... plus , your only putting it on 2 thousandths thick.. |
PermaTex it is. Thanks again for all the insight!!!
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Posted: 13 Jun 2024 at 8:53pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
I dont have a specific seal that is double lip.. Just know they make them.. I had a 75 year old "B" that had groove cut in the shaft and always dripped.. I got the ID and OD and bought a seal that was DOUBLE LIP and probably 1/8 inch THICKER than original and installed that..
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Thanks Steve!
I just ordered a double lip seal that "should fit!" With PermaTex and this seal, we should be in good condition!!!
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Posted: 16 Jun 2024 at 10:24am |
Was back at the farm this weekend with the family and my brothers, sister and I grabbed a few other pieces. Mostly interested in the differential carrier. Using the John Deere tractor loader and a chain, Milwaukee impact, we separated the final drive shaft and removed the carrier. Plan to use this in place of the one that is worn as previously post.
Just need to clean it up and exchange the bearing race.
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Posted: 18 Jun 2024 at 8:19pm |
A bit more done today. Took apart the left wheel and seperated the rim and hub. Will take this to the shop to take off the tire. Will plan to sand blast these in the next weeks. Then paint the rims black and the hubs orange. Then have the new rear tires mounted.
Used a fiber optic camera from Amazon to look and see where the oil was leaking from the left final axil. Camera worked awesome from my iPhone and was only about $18 after the 30% discount.
While a bit dark, despite the LED lights, was easy to see the leak on the left differential seal.
Here are a few images. Clearly the seal is leaking and not between the surface of the carrier and differential. I have to think this is where the carrier was worn and the seal did not have good seat and seal. Using JB Weld would work well here as previously noted.
You see as an example there is no leakage between the carrier and differential case.
Once we have the double lip seal, we will take this apart and reassemble with the new seal and the carrier we picked up from the farm this past weekend. < id="idg-io-safe-browsing-enabled" ="" oninit="true">
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Posted: 19 Jun 2024 at 5:49am |
I want to replace the bearing race in the carrier from the farm since it has a few pits. I am not sure if I can change out the one in the worn differential carrier with the farm carrier without damage. I also have not yet found a new bearing race online yet
Thoughts exchanging or a place to buy an new differential bearing race/cup for the carrier
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Posted: 19 Jun 2024 at 8:16am |
This is an old list i used when i rebuilt my "B" ... should be the same.. I got the numbers off the bearings themselves..
Transmission & Differential:
Differential Carrier Seal - CR #11343, National #410163R
Differential Carrier/Bull Pinion Speedi-Sleeve - CR #99125
Differential Carrier Cup - Timken #25520
Differential Carrier Cone - Timken #25580
Input Shaft Cup - Timken #15250
Input Shaft Cone - Timken #15120
Input Shaft Seal - CR #11800, National #450162 (471765)
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Posted: 19 Jun 2024 at 8:20am |
You can buy CHINA versions about half the price of this......you can install a cup / cone from two different manufactures as a NOT MATCHED SET.... Can work, but can also get a little "whine" when running.. I always MATCH the cup / cone. Check size below
- Part Number: 25580/25520
- ID: 1-3/4 inch , OD: 3-17/64 inch, Width: 15/16 inch
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Posted: 19 Jun 2024 at 7:22pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
You can buy CHINA versions about half the price of this......you can install a cup / cone from two different manufactures as a NOT MATCHED SET.... Can work, but can also get a little "whine" when running.. I always MATCH the cup / cone. Check size below
- Part Number: 25580/25520
- ID: 1-3/4 inch , OD: 3-17/64 inch, Width: 15/16 inch
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Outstanding and thanks Steve!!! Just ordered this unit and will plan to use the race/cup so they match.
Much appreciated.!!
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Edited by CA13414 - 19 Jun 2024 at 7:22pm
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