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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Mike, Ted, Folks,
Mike I am starting to lube the threads. The center thread is free and works good. (beaming adjustment). The side adjusters are free on one end of each, but would like to get them all working so we can fine tune the plow in the field. Picked up a couple more aggressive flap discs for the 4.5 inch grinder. I just need to get them outside, due the amount of dirt and dust it makes! Worried about keeping the shop clean which it is not very! I did not look at the book yet but have aligned the coulter to be just about the same place as the leading edge of the shin? I have to look at the book for some reason 331 ( I think is listed as the plows) But that may be the type of frame?? Ted, I will get some shots of the blade mount. Not sure if this is a Allis attachment? But it does have orange paint on it. Do you mean the Ford Barn site? Was this a Allis blade or just painted orange?? Play Farmer thanks! John, You need to get a set of torches. Another tool not used ever day but man they can save a ton of work and busted knuckles on this old stuff. Was just thinking I could put these two bottoms plows on the D17 to shine them up! The book I got with the plows is for a "62" or "63" three bottom. So I dont know what bottoms are on this two bottom. Seems the old guy bought a set of three bottoms and maybe couldn't pull them with the D14? Regards, Chris
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GSTROM99
Silver Level Joined: 12 Dec 2020 Location: Greene, IA Points: 244 |
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Nice find! Refresh my memory on how to polarize a generator. It's been years since I've needed to.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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GSTROM99,
Ok I am not a electrical expert on these. But "do not" touch the wire going to the field side of the generator. Tractor is off: Briefly touch the Armature contact to the Battery contact on the voltage regulator. Small quick spark is all your looking for. If its going to work it should start to show + charge when rev'ed up on the amp meter. Regards, Chris
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3721 |
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Chris, I set coulters 1/2 to 3/4" to the landside. Read that in one of the manuals, seems to work ok so I stay with it.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Mike,
I read that in the book too. So land side would be toward the "land " that your turning over correct? I will have to see once I get them shined up with the flap wheel and get them hooked up to a tractor. Thanks! Regards, Chris
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ac hunter
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jan 2011 Location: OHIO Points: 989 |
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Chris, Glad you got the D-14. Looks like a nice addition to your collection. Is the coolant leak in the radiator? Maybe not all bad to find a leak as was probably a weak spot any way and may have let loose at a more inopportune time. Enjoy your new friend.
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captaindana
Orange Level Joined: 14 Sep 2009 Location: Fort Plain, NY Points: 2459 |
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Hey Chris nice find! I have been quietly looking for a 14 myself! I don’t know why but I am!
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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ac, It turned out it was just water running out of the front of the lower frame. So I dodged a bullet on that for a little while. Probably would be a good idea to flush and refill the rad too. Water in it looked kind of brown when I did check the drain port. Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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captain, Must have been a reason for me too?? i do like the features and the more comfortable seating position compared to a WD series. Regards, Chris
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3721 |
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Yes, toward the left as you're looking at the plow from behind it. I have played with this setting quite a bit trying to get a nice clean furrow slice. Still not there yet! I think the sharpness of the shin area has an effect on this too. Have fun plowing with the old girl, take some pics for us. Maybe I'm the only guy that actually likes the seating position on a 45?
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Mike,
I may complain about the ergonomics of a WD series but after spending endless hours on them, they are like a old shoe and fit very well too! I am not crazy about a Farmall M, just too high and wide open. Regards, Chris
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IBWD MIke
Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3721 |
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Chris, that must be it, the old shoe thing. Grew up on a WD, learned to drive on that old tractor. They are just second nature to me I guess. I hear a lot of drivers of other color tractors complain about getting on/off of WD's and 45's and saying that they are hard on the back. I must be impervious to that. I've put in some pretty long days plowing with my 45's and my back never seemed to suffer.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Folks,
So the D14 let me down and would not start with out a 12 volt jump! I am ready to work on some things. I think the first order is to remove the starter and have it checked. It should spin this over better on 6 volts than it does. After that trial, if its no better, a 12 volt battery, coil and alternator might be just the ticket to make this a good functioning tractor! Regards, Chris
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Ted J
Orange Level Joined: 05 Jul 2010 Location: La Crosse, WI Points: 18821 |
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The starter is usually the culprit when it doesn't want to start nor spin over very well. Usually just a kit will set it straight. Bushings for the ends of the armature, brushes and new springs. Thanks for the pics of the front plow. That gives me some ideas. No, I don't think that was ever made by Allis. At least I have never seen one. I would think it was just painted orange or they used orange parts to build it. Take care and ONE of these days we'll see some spring,,,,,,,,,,I HOPE! Still cold here and they are saying more snow in the offing...
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Kenny L.
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: NEIOWA Points: 1266 |
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Ted J said (Thanks for the pics of the front plow. That gives me some
ideas. No, I don't think that was ever made by Allis) Ted there is
pictures of one in the loader parts manual for the 400&500 series
loader and the models 8,9,10,14,15,17,90,100,100A.100B,140,150&170. Also I've not seen one either
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Kenny, Ted, Allis Folks,
Thanks! So it is a Allis dozer blade. I am not familiar with the 400-500 series loaders. But the pictures you show really looks like you nailed it. That helps with the back story on the tractor and equipment too. Having a loader tractor in the family was one of my attractions to this unit. Second was the fact that I might be able to use it to plow the drive next winter, maybe easier than with the Ford Jubilee and back blade. Ok we had snow the last two days but not enough to plow. I do need to pull the starter and check it for function. The D14 did start on its own twice last night but only after several grunts of the starter. So I think you guys are pointing me in the right direction on the root cause. Where is a good place to order the components such as brushes for the starter? On the charging system I do see it show charge (maybe 5 -8 amps) when reved up. When at idle it shows a little discharge, (about -3). Regards, Chris
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jaybmiller
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Greensville,Ont Points: 22443 |
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6 volt starters need PERFECT battery,wiring and connections... think welding cable size NOT skinny car size. Starter should be pulled off, inspected, maybe new brushes and bearings. Check pinion for chewed teeth. Odds are it's original and never been serviced. I 'cheated', put 12v batteries and CS130 alternators in all 3 D-14s here. Yes, they spin a tad faster but after a new ring gear 'Troy' is very happy. While 6V is original, going 12v allows cheap lights, winches, boosting others, etc. 8 amps is kinda low but gennys were an 'all day' recharge device...
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Play Farmer
Orange Level Joined: 13 Jan 2016 Location: NNY Points: 732 |
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Chris, I finally got back over to where my parts tractor is, unfortunately I don't have a thing you need. Looking it over yesterday it looks like it has one good rim then it might be time to send what's left to the scrap yard. She's been pretty well buzzard picked. |
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Play Farmer,
Thanks for checking. I really picked over a WD frame till I had to send it to the scrap yard too! Folks, After looking at the two bottom set of plows that came with the D14, I see they are 16 inch. Have to shine the outside plow up and try to do some plowing soon. Regards, Chris
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Folks,
Well it has been a long time since an update on the D14. It has not started well for a year and a half. Finally a friend came over and helped me remove the starter, clean all the terminal connections. I took the starter apart, shined the commutator cleaned it and re assembled. While in there we removed about 2 gallons of mouse nests and debris from around the fly wheel and clutch. Cleaned up the ground surfaces of the starter to the bell housing area. Replaced the starter and it starts like new tractor on 6 volts. Then removed the generator gave it the same clean up inside and out and cleaned connections too. Polarized the generator and seemed to have a good charge on the battery. I want to use this D14 for snow plowing, if we get some? Last year I put new tires on the front about the time of the first snow storm. A week ago I was so happy with this tractor starting I thought it should have the seat re-done. We removed the cushions. Then had to cut the 1/2 inch dia seat pin to get the pan off the tractor. Cleaned the seat pan in the Electrolysis tank for several days. Today I removed it from the tank, wire brushed it, sanded, sandblasted and primed it. The upholstery shop has some white pleated vinyl for the center portions of the seat. A pretty good match. I hope to have this seat done in a couple weeks. I can still move the tractor setting on the seat frame. We built a new mini shop this year for most of our tractors. It matches the look of the big shop. At 24 feet wide x 32 feet deep. I have 9 tractors and a bunch of small equipment in there too. Really nice to have these out of the big shop. Hope to get back to the CA project too. Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Macon Rounds
Orange Level Joined: 18 Feb 2010 Location: Pittsburgh Pa Points: 2143 |
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I have power steering system if you wish to upgrade.
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Sugarmaker
Orange Level Joined: 12 Jul 2013 Location: Albion PA Points: 8276 |
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Macon,
Sent you a PM. Thanks. It is a good old tractor! Folks, I did get the two cushion supports back from the upholstery shop. Put one through the E tank and the big one is in there now. A little welding and sandblasting and they should look and work almost as good as new. Regards, Chris
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I'm sure glad to hear you're getting some tractor time Chris!
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IBWD MIke
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X-2!!
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Sugarmaker
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Folks,
I did get back the D14 seat: I think it looks very good. Sorry the pictures are smaller that is the size that seems to be able to load into "postimage" site. The picture is taken inside the new mini shop. Yea packed full of orange and stuff! Regards, Chris and Cheryl
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Seat looks good!!
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Sugarmaker
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Sugarmaker
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Ted J
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Sat in the 45 from sunup til sundown during the spring and summer months. Just time out for dinner. I would get out of milking too if I was out in the field!
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Ted J
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That seat looks GREAT Chris!
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