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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 10:14am |
Folks, Had a lapse in the old brain waves and held my hand up just a little too long at the antique auction yesterday. I did not really need another project. Maybe it needed me more? Anyway there were only minor injury's getting it home. A lighting of the wallet as usual and several stories. The run down as far as today: - Paid way too much for it! It must be something special?? Probably not! - So 1957 D14 - Manual steering - Great oil pressure. - It starts and runs really well, no smoke. - clutch and power director work good when you remember to use it!;) - Hydraulic needed some fluid, comes right up. - was one owner tractor from local dealer in Bushnell OH. - Forgot to look at tach operation, probably not. - Loader, Humm dont have a loader tractor. Used that already, to move the fork bucket. - Its the Allis Loader, missing the legs for supporting the loader when detached. - rear rims and tires are pretty good. Goodyear rears. No rot in loaded tires, - front tires well worn. right front was flat. - Battery was dead, jumped at auction to start. Had to jump to get on trailer. - Realized in the middle of the night it has a 6 volt battery in it that is hooked up neg ground. That's just not right! - Yea I bout a set of two bottom Allis plows that have seen better days, but I have seen worse too. - Also bought a set of tire chains which I believe are for it?? Heavy bull links. - Loader has a push blade on it. Thought it might make a good snow plow tractor??? With chains and loaded tires???
Ok pictures, should have done those first because you guys just jumped to the pictures anyway. Plans?? I don't know? Maybe get electrical straightened out? Maybe plow day next month? Future snow plow tractor??
Need left side panel:
Fork bucket in pretty good shape, for the shape its in:
DO NOT insert your finger in the underside of the front latch near the fan!!
She needs a good bath for sure!
Well, there will probably be more later. :) Thanks for checking in on me. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 10 Apr 2022 at 7:23pm
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ac45dave
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 10:46am |
That's a nice straight original ole tractor Chris.I'm sure it will get the TLC it deserves.I look forward to following along. But that finger pic......OOOOUUUCH!!!!!That will be a gift that keeps on giving for a few days! 
Edited by ac45dave - 10 Apr 2022 at 10:47am
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 11:10am |
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Oh good. A D 14 ! Very similar to my old D 15. Keep the pictures coming and good luck. Sorry about your finger , thanks for sharing .
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 11:13am |
nice I like it. Is that a cultivator thingy on side of frame. What model loader is that, might have an operators manual.
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 11:15am |
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 1:22pm |
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Sorry about your finger. I know when things like that happen, it can be discouraging and takes the "luster" out of the tractor work. Nevertheless, it's all about the "save another A-C for prosperity sake." You'll be glad you did. Trust me. Have fun and enjoy the ride! it could of went to China and another D-14 would have been lost forever. Thanks again for your efforts!
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 3:06pm |
Looks pretty good to me, Chris. Just needs a little TLC as most of us do when we reach the age of that tractor!! 
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 3:29pm |
She's a thing of beauty and do NOT forget it ,lest another finger will be 'told be nice to me' ! Reminds me of Troy, my first D-14, 'cept he wasn't in running condition.
Early '57 , has push start. BTW 6 volt has different starter gear and ring gear. The 'cheat' to know is look at the starter, if it has a band around it...she's 6 volt. Troy only has the loader frame on it now,rest long gone.
sniff,sniff...
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 7:48pm |
Thank guys, Never know if I have saved something or just created more work?? Her first job. Pretty sure its a girl, it has taken two bites out of me so far! The fan and the finger did not go well! For me anyway!
So the 6 volt battery (which is correct) that was dated 3-22, was installed with the terminals incorrect. I charged the battery. Then reversed the leads to positive ground and polarized the generator, at the voltage regulator. After a couple starts it began to show charge! I will leave it 6 volt if it charges and functions ok. Forgot to check the battery for indication of charging. She looks pretty rough, fresh from the farm!
Started a little work on the plows. They are in bad shape. Not sure they will scour? I feel a little better about the tractor after playing most of the day with it. It did everything correct. Has a issue with the governor hunting a little when going in high gear.
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 7:54pm |
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Gee, after watching that U-tube video that D-14 really started great and sounded even better running. Great Job!! You should be pretty happy with this find. Congrats!
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 7:55pm |
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I have seen far worse. Clean all the grease and oil off and try buffing the paint and she might come out looking pretty nice. The fenders look solid and it's not all banged up - hard to find like that!
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 8:01pm |
 Mikez wrote:
interesting key |
Mike, I dont have the loader number, but I did get a book with it for the loader. Thanks! Yea the key has a piece of metal bolted to it. Maybe so it did not get lost or easier to turn it??? That may come off soon? I did take the spinner knob off. I did not grow up with these and just don't care for them. I always get my arm whacked.
I have the operators book with the tractor from the dealer about 15 miles west of me, and it has the service techs name in it, Ed Neidemyer, a neighbor and great Allis guy from Beaver Center PA. I remember Ed coming to my Dads farm to work on the WD mag and maybe the New Holland baler.
Just fired the D14 up prior to coming in for the night. Will keep testing on it!:) Now have the choke rod loosened and moving correctly. Just need to get that happy starting combo of choke and throttle. I know the D17 doesn't like much if any choke. Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 10 Apr 2022 at 8:03pm
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 8:22pm |
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Thanks for posting pic of your D14 that tractor looks quite a bit like my D14. Good luck with your find. Randy
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 8:23pm |
Sugarmaker
Congrats, what a great purchase. Looks to be in great shape for its age.
My fathers 1957 D17 had the same style loader, frames and hoop over the gas tank. The lower frame step made for easy access. Your pictures brought back many memories. I tripped that loader bucket many many times loading the manure spreader at the "pile"
Thanks for posting.........Good luck with your project
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Posted: 10 Apr 2022 at 8:33pm |
Randy, Leadoff, Folks, Thanks! Yes that loader frame is a great step up or down! I was surprised that the tractor actually did not steer too bad with the push blade and loader. Yes I had some flash backs from days cleaning free stalls 4 foot deep with a WD45 that type loader and no power steering. No wonder Dad let me drive it! It took some of the sand out of me for sure! Regards, Chris
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Posted: 11 Apr 2022 at 11:19am |
Looks like a nice, straight piece.  I have a D14 parts tractor, not much left of it but let me know if you need anything. It'd be good to see stuff go to a good home.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2022 at 12:36pm |
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Congrats, good to see another Sugarmaker project thread in the offing!
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Posted: 11 Apr 2022 at 2:17pm |
Yes it looks like a straight tractor that hasn't been all beat up. Just going to have to watch where you put your finger so as you don't lose any of them. I think you done good
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Posted: 11 Apr 2022 at 8:40pm |
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Chris, about time you got another AC project. We're all glad to see it. Sure looks like a solid tractor.
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 7:20am |
Guys, Thanks! I do stupid stuff once in a while. The nick on the finger will be better a year from now and a long way from the heart. The D14 got attention most of the day yesterday. We had rain on and off.
So on starting most of the time I hit the key and it turns over about 1/8 of a rev and stops, hit the key again and same thing. about the third time, (and these are weak turns) it cranks over good and fires up! I wonder if the timing is off a little?? Will have to check that? Once running she sounds fine.
So I pulled a spark plug, it was a MotorCraft. I picked up a set of Autolite 295's and installed them. Filed the points cleaned the rotor contact, and checked inside of the cap. It wouldnt start! Points did not look good. Back to NAPA for a free hat, condenser, points, rotor, and dust cover. Installed all but the dust cover, the cap would not set down into it (new smaller size??) She fired right up. (but still doing that hard start thing.
Next I drained the oil and removed the filter. Yep the vertical tube was stuck in the filter. Had to use vice grips to pull it out. Gently tapped it back into the filter base. Added 5 quarts of NAPA 10W30. Good to god for a while. The oil was very black!
Pulled the hood panel off the left side. Found that a new exhaust manifold gasket has been installed. I have a feeling this engine may have been freshened sometime in the not to distant past. it runs really good and I have seen no indication of smoke at and speed, or when revving. Well that's a good thing, because You just never know and a bad engine was not really a project I was look forward too!
Next we sprayed it down with a couple cans of Gunk foamy, which by the way is not the one you want to use the can says the original Gunk is way better for heavy grease. Proceeded to let that soak and the pressure washed about 70% of the grease and grime off the tractor. Still for sure looks like a old tractor!:) Opps, have a leak some where in the rad area after hitting the rad with the pressure washer! Probably not the smartest thing I have done recently!
Put it back together about dark and then turned to the two bottom plow. She is rough! Flap disk to clean up whats left of the plow points. Get them less jagged. Then rolled the torch over and heated up some nuts to adjust the coulters where I think they should be. I dont know how my Dad farmed for 50 years without a set of torches on the farm!
Also noted that someone added the attachment point for a top link.
Regards, Chris
Edited by Sugarmaker - 12 Apr 2022 at 7:31am
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 7:28am |
Play Farmer wrote:
Looks like a nice, straight piece.
I have a D14 parts tractor, not much left of it but let me know if you need anything. It'd be good to see stuff go to a good home. |
Play Farmer, Yes I am looking for a couple parts: Left fender Left side panel Tach and cable. Air cleaner to carb hose Grill (mine is functional but has issues Grill surround (again mine is functional but has had some dings and dents.
I still have your Tach in the D17!
Regards, Chris
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 7:28am |
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I have a similar issue with the starter on the 170. I am certain there is a way to test it short of taking it in for a checkup. I believe the battery load tester is used to check current draw while cranking.
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 7:34am |
plummerscarin wrote:
I have a similar issue with the starter on the 170. I am certain there is a way to test it short of taking it in for a checkup. I believe the battery load tester is used to check current draw while cranking. |
Tested the ground to the starter and seems ok? I keep thinking pour ground?? Just havent found that yet. Ok I havent taken it apart and cleaned it either. But battery to starter shell shows good ground? Maybe just a weak starter?? Where are the experts?? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 7:36am |
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you know our 14 always had starting issues and we used to say the same thing about timing then one day the starter housing just broke. Couldn’t locate a housing so bought a new starter and it’s like a totally different tractor. Starts fine now.
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 9:40am |
Could very well be a weak starter. That is where I would start. AGCO still has the air cleaner to carb hose.
Replacing some sheet metal on an original tractor doesn't help unless you find pieces that are original as well. Most have been repainted at some point in time and will clash with the original appearance of the tractor. Dents and dings are very common on the grille screen and surround. I would leave it the way it is. Those are battlescars of an original paint 60 year old tractor, they tell a story. I have 3 original D14s, they all have a few dents and dings. If I go replacing panels, I would have to restore the tractor so everything is one color.
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Posted: 12 Apr 2022 at 7:11pm |
Mike, DSeries4, Folks Yes this seems to me to be a weak starter issue. When it catches on the third try it spins pretty good, and starts. I did try the timing and it sounds a little better (adjusting by ear only) but it did not improve the starting at all. Its warm now and it may be OK, but when stuck in a snow drift at zero its not a good thing! I started it a couple times tonight and same thing wasnt sure it was going to start till the third try. It is still on the list to change to 12 volt negative ground and add a Denso 12 volt alternator someday too.
I agree on the panels, hard to match that faded Persian orange. Yes the grill shell is not too bad compared to some i have had and seen. This is the first tractor that I have gotten that is actually original in decals and paint.
Just itching to get that two bottom plow hooked up. Our plow day is a month away and would like to have this there and set up ready to go. I would take off the loader. Can you even run the plows with the loader cylinder connected? Regards, Chris
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Posted: 13 Apr 2022 at 10:05am |
Chris, if you're going to use that plow in a month you better get busy! Looks like the lift arm links are rusted tight, they could b e set ok, or not. I like to be able to adjust things. Can't see the beaming screw in your picture, guessing it may be stuck too. The bottoms look like they will clean-up with a good wire brushing then a flap wheel and finally, lots of dirt!
Here's a shot of mine, different bottoms than yours. Mine are 24's, think yours are 124's?
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Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 6:38am |
Chris, No need to show pics on that other thread in the other area. I see em now!! You did REAL GOOD! I'd like to see how that plow blade is attached to the bucket frame. I'd like to put a plow on mine.
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Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 10:52am |
Sugarmaker wrote:
Play Farmer wrote:
Looks like a nice, straight piece.
I have a D14 parts tractor, not much left of it but let me know if you need anything. It'd be good to see stuff go to a good home. |
Play Farmer, Yes I am looking for a couple parts: Left fender Left side panel Tach and cable. Air cleaner to carb hose Grill (mine is functional but has issues Grill surround (again mine is functional but has had some dings and dents.
I still have your Tach in the D17!
Regards, Chris |
Chris, I'll take a look next time I'm at the tractor and let you know what I have.
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Posted: 14 Apr 2022 at 10:03pm |
I hope you are right about the engine. I thought the one in my WD was decent, and then I checked the crank bearings when I went in to change the oil pan gasket, and here I am 2 years later with the engine still in pieces everywhere in my shop. You may not want to look, haha.
I'm jealous of the torch, too. I've had one on my list for a while and need to bite the bullet. It opens a lot of new doors, just like getting a welder, or a hydraulic press... So many new things you can tackle that you just can't without items like those.
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