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 Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 8:50am |
To put this into perspective, let’s give an example. Let’s say you drive about 540 miles per month.
Well if your RETIRED and dont go anywhere, then 6000 miles per year is a good FUDGE NUMBER... If your working, many are driving 20,000 miles per year. ... But the articles AGENDA was to show how CHEAP it would be, NOT THE REAL COST.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 3:30pm |
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heck, I haven't gone 6000 miles since the Chinese gave us the virus...coming up 3 years+or-.....
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 4:35pm |
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YEP... me neither... But i use to travel 25 miles to work, then 25 back every day for 40 years........ Both of my kids do almost 100 miles a day round trip.... Thats 500 PER WEEK, not per month.... lot of people do it.. 15-20K per year is "normal".
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 4:56pm |
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A friend of my drives his Tesla to work every day, about 12 miles one way, says it cost between $20.00 and $25.00 per month to charge it, (His charger in his garage, is 120 volt) Unless he's starting out on a long trip, he does not charge it over 80%. Lithium ion batteries if charged slowly to avoid overheating the batteries, will last a long time.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 5:44pm |
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What is the Cost to Charge an EV in kWh?
“A conservative rule of thumb is that an electric car
gets 3 to 4 miles per kWh,” Voelcker says. “So divide the total miles
you drive each month by 3, to get the kWh you would use monthly.
Multiply that number by your cost per kWh. The dollar amount you get
will most likely be lower than what you pay each month to buy gasoline.”
To put this into perspective, let’s give an example. Let’s say you
drive about 540 miles per month. For an EV, you will use 180 kWh in that
timeframe. Using the U.S. household average from May 2021 of 14 cents
per kWh, it would cost $25.20/month to charge an EV. I WOULD TAKE THAT $$$/MILE ALL DAY LONG  !!!!
https://www.kbb.com/car-news/how-much-does-it-cost-to-charge-an-ev/
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 5:49pm |
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Just how many PENNIES are required to run a battery charger and how will this be any more of a drain on a "GRID"
?????? So you think you can drive a car/ truck with BATTERIES all day long, then plug in your 6 amp charger and REFILL it in a few hours ??? You ever hear of Perpetual motion ??  
Most of the "chargers" are 240 volts and pull 50 amps to FULLY recharge the batteries in one shift.....WAY beyond your AC unit. |
My current battery charger cost me over a $180 smart ass !! And JUST how do you KNOW so much about EVERYTHING, farm (I assume), take TOO much effort in your "political" stance AND make time for 60,000+ posts ????
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 5:50pm |
They are talking about a tinker toy car... NOT your 5 ton lumber wagon you call a TRUCK !!
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 5:54pm |
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They are talking about a tinker toy car... NOT your 5 ton lumber wagon you call a TRUCK !! |
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:01pm |
DO ??? ............. 100 DIFFERENT THINGS !!
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:04pm |
FREEDGUY wrote:
steve(ill) wrote:
<span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">Just how many PENNIES are required to run a battery charger and how will this be any more of a drain on a "GRID" </span><span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">
</span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">
</span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;"><b style="">?????? So you think you can drive a car/ truck with BATTERIES all day long, then plug in your 6 amp charger and REFILL it in a few hours ??? You ever hear of Perpetual motion ?? </span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">
</span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;"><b style="">Most of the "chargers" are 240 volts and pull 50 amps to FULLY recharge the batteries in one shift.....WAY beyond your AC unit.</span> |
My current battery charger cost me over a $180 smart ass !! And JUST how do you KNOW so much about EVERYTHING, farm (I assume), take TOO much effort in your "political" stance AND make time for 60,000+ posts ????
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Wow, a whole $180 eh? Just for fun, price a Tesla home charging station, and see what you think. Think about it, you’re talking about the power to drive a vehicle 100s of miles instead of STARTING a vehicle for a few seconds.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:24pm |
Tesla COMPATIBLE Chargers are google listed, anywhere from $1600.00 to $7900.00, and will need MORE than One if have two vehicles that get used daily over the same time frame, generally speaking will need one for EACH Car you have if ALL Electric to get them all sufficiently charged before going to work/school. 60 Amp DEDICATED Breaker for EACH, thus a ADDITIONAL 200A Service JUST for Car Chargers.
Home Charging | Tesla
The OTHER Gorilla in the room is the Replacement Battery at Five + Years, they do NOT last forever nor do they come Cheap. Like $13000, and NO Tesla has been on the road for Eight Years quoted for Warranty. I will be surprised if not prorated at five.
Figure that into recovery on Investment when cannot sell the Car with a bad or aged battery may be able to trade into another but at That LOVELY New Car cost. Prius and Leaf Owners already feel this pain.
As for the General Street Guy that usually buys USED, as I have, how much to Transfer the remainder of that Eight Year original owner Battery Warranty? Can it EVEN BE transferred? How much is a five+ year old Tesla selling for these days and can you get that three years problem free if NO Warranty as second owner.
Personally I do NOT have $80k to pay for a SINGLE Auto new, would NOT finance that much either as payments would be drastically NIGHTMARISHLY Huge. Ford's Electric Pickup, expected to cost in excess of $75K, GMs Similar, Tesla's is already figured near to $70K for one BUTT Ugly beast.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:46pm |
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Dang it Dave!!! You were supposed to let him do it himself! Then we’d lead him through the rest piece by piece. You just wrote way too much for him to follow all at once!
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:50pm |
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Gassy still thinks his 12 v charger is going to work... Dont have a CLUE what an ELECTRIC VEHICLE uses for batteries.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 7:05pm |
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My question about Electric Vehicles is the cost to upgrade Generation and the Grid to handle the additional load! Consumers Energy just put up 80 some Wind Turbines in our area after shutting down one Coal Fired Generator. They are supposed to run on demand,and on a few windless days did not run at all! Our local Co Op is installing some Solar Panels to satisfy the Powers that Be and along with other members of the Coperative installing a Gas Fired Generator.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 7:19pm |
Normal wind mill is about 3 MegaWatts...... A coal fired power plant from 1960 is about 200 MegaWatts.... Newer coal power unit from 1980 vintage are 6-700 MegaWatts..... so YES... it can take 80 - 250 windmills to replace ONE coal fired unit. ... and you can have 2-3-4 UNITS per Power Plant..
Take the big LABADIE coal plant in St Louis.. 4 units, total 2500 MW.... if you retire it, you will need about 800 wind mills to replace.... they are starting to build BIGGER windmills, but having all that ROTATING MASS up 250 ft in the air is a JOKE.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 7:22pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
To put this into perspective, let’s give an example. Let’s say you drive about 540 miles per month.
Well if your RETIRED and dont go anywhere, then 6000 miles per year is a good FUDGE NUMBER... If your working, many are driving 20,000 miles per year. ... But the articles AGENDA was to show how CHEAP it would be, NOT THE REAL COST. |
Good grief. You completely missed the point. The author merely presented an example to show people how to calculate the cost. Not present a target figure. People are expected to plug in their own mileage and their own utility rates to calculate their expected costs.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 7:25pm |
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I didnt miss anything....... the whole point of the article was to convince people that they could charge a car for $25. a month............ SLOW PEOPLE will fall for that AGENDA.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 8:50pm |
re: People are expected to plug in their own mileage and their own utility rates to calculate their expected costs.
right....if you LOOK at the BS hydro bill I get, you'll assume it's 11c/KwH BUT do the REAL math, at it's closer to 25C/KwH. Kerbang..cost is DOUBLE what you 'think'....
If I had 2 EVs here (when pigs fly over frozen hell..) I'd have to upgrade to a 400A service !! 100a/car+house(200a),FORCED into that cause hydro ONLY install 200a or 400a services. It'd actually be cheaper to get 3 phase from the pole though.1 for house, 1 for EV#1, 1 for EV#2.
There are charges that can do a FULL recharge in 30 minutes BUT you still pay for EVERY electron as 'smart' meters KNOW exactly what you're using....
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 9:25pm |
steve(ill) wrote:
I didnt miss anything....... the whole point of the article was to convince people that they could charge a car for $25. a month............ SLOW PEOPLE will fall for that AGENDA.
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Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 9:27pm |
jaybmiller wrote:
right....if you LOOK at the BS hydro bill I get, you'll assume it's 11c/KwH BUT do the REAL math, at it's closer to 25C/KwH..... Kerbang..cost is DOUBLE what you 'think'.... |
I doubt if most billings are deceptive . i know mine is accurate. Regardless, plug in any number you want.
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 3:37am |
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Was explained by a ex coworker he was installing Solar at his home as was Zero expense and would net Zero on his electricity bill.
Never happened.
First up installed on roof as no yard area to set them, two years later roof leaks at the retainer screws MULTIPLE leaks. Pull all panels, replaced roof reinstall panels then major faults as panels reattachments caused and solar contractor had to come find then repair, NOT warranty as panels were moved without the solar contractor doing it, three cells trashed.
Next up he receives billing from his provider, pays retail rate, his return rate at Less than 1/2 total
Consumption was less than 1/4 of his total bill as credited at Wholesale rate, then charged equipment usage fees to place His energy back on the grid.
Genuinely was Net Zero Energy Bill, for his supplier.
Stated he managed to see a 1/4 usage credit for the last year but due to he and his wife energy conscious savings efforts. He is not any longer impressed with solar systems where any further issues he is accepting the loss and “removing the junk”.
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 4:41am |
jaybmiller wrote:
It'd actually be cheaper to get 3 phase from the pole though.1 for house, 1 for EV#1, 1 for EV#2.
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? That is NOT how 3ph works.
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 6:15am |
I can physically get 100A 3 PH from the pole into my house cheaper than 400A single phase. Yeah, sounds crazy, but welcome to Ontario Hydro. Looked into this 4-5 years ago, idea was to repalce the 23HP gas engine on the sawmill with an electric motor. Quiet and clean,great for inside the shop.The 'distribution transformer' needed for the 'magic' to get 2PH, 240V 100 was a freebie, and if you don't connect one leg to the 'power monitor' chunk, that leg is um, shh, 'free' energy. DM's solar story is quite common. Have 5 neighbour's with 10KW systems. Yes, they do make money, but ONLY because the guv said we'll pay you 80c/KwH for 20 YEARS, it's NOT that they actually MAKE 10KwH of solar energy
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 6:39am |
And as usual, once the facts started coming, gassy was gone like the fart in a wind that he is. Told you it would be too much for him to comprehend!
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 8:27am |
jay is right on the 3 phase power..."NORMALLY" you would get 3 phase power to run 3 phase equipment... But it is actually 3 SINGLE PHASE combined... You can divide the 3 phase wires out to get 3 different single phases ........
also Jordan has a point..........to complicated to go into it completely Jay, but remember the 300 AMPS on 3 phases is not 3 x 100 what you would get in single phase... something to do with square root of 3 .
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 8:52am |
Yup thats a typical solar panel story. Fellow north of here thought he could make some real interest on his money he had in investments... and cut his electric bill to nothing. Took out his 17000 bucks and bought the equipment. Then since he is still working, the contractors installed the system and hooked it up for him... and that was near what the first bill was. It was suppose to be over rated for supply of electricity to the house and 'shop' in the winter time. First couple years when snow came, he kept a trail plowed in front of the solar panels and the snow scraped off of them. After that the snow wasn't swept off and no trail plowed. Asked him one day how the panels worked out and he said he made more interest off the moneys that were invested in failing stocks than he did with his solar panels and wished he never bought the solar system. He said in the summer would sell some electric back to power company but winter time, it generated 1/6th of the power required because he didn't put in the tracking system, which would have cost more... and probably wouldn't have worked as well as they said they would. I have noticed in the last few years he doesn't even bother mowing the weeds under them... but he spends time cutting firewood for his winter heat. Think he will buy into battery cars? I highly doubt it, he already has been burnt by the greenie ideologies of nonsense.
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 5:41pm |
Tbone95 wrote:
FREEDGUY wrote:
steve(ill) wrote:
<span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">Just how many PENNIES are required to run a battery charger and how will this be any more of a drain on a "GRID" </span><span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">
</span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">
</span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;"><b style="">?????? So you think you can drive a car/ truck with BATTERIES all day long, then plug in your 6 amp charger and REFILL it in a few hours ??? You ever hear of Perpetual motion ?? </span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;">
</span> <span style="color: rgb0, 0, 36; : rgb254, 252, 212;"><b style="">Most of the "chargers" are 240 volts and pull 50 amps to FULLY recharge the batteries in one shift.....WAY beyond your AC unit.</span> |
My current battery charger cost me over a $180 smart ass !! And JUST how do you KNOW so much about EVERYTHING, farm (I assume), take TOO much effort in your "political" stance AND make time for 60,000+ posts ????
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Wow, a whole $180 eh? Just for fun, price a Tesla home charging station, and see what you think.
Think about it, you’re talking about the power to drive a vehicle 100s of miles instead of STARTING a vehicle for a few seconds. |
Why would I do that ? I don't own a TESLA !! From what I've read, 220 volts AC is a WHOLE lot cheaper to run than 110/120
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 5:42pm |
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Whats your problem GASSY ? No evading anytihing.... I dont have "ONE" job that takes most of my time each week... Had a job welding 30 hours last week.. Built 3 duck blinds a few weeks before that.... Cut out and welded up three 15 ft trailers a couple months ago..
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Posted: 13 Oct 2021 at 5:49pm |
So, you're retired, probably taking in WAY too much union pension, pulling in SS payments and have nothing better to do with your time than "scan the site" and belittle whomever disagrees with you  ? Am I accurate on several statements ???
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