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wjohn 
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 Topic: Gleaner CII - What Parts to Save from Scrap?
Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 4:24pm |
I have limited access to a CII that is about to get hauled off for scrap. I want to save as much as I reasonably can for parts for my own CII. I have a mental list of a few things (engine/parts if any good, any decent shape sprockets and pulleys, straw spreader, etc.).
What items would be at the top of your list to save?
Edited by wjohn - 16 Nov 2024 at 4:26pm
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Dirt Farmer
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Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 7:29pm |
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Idler pulleys, clean grain and return elevator boots if clean out door is good, feeder chains or at least a few feeder chains slats for when 1 gets bent. Check belts if they are any good. Perhaps just get the whole thing and put it in a hedge row for those moments that matter and you're needing parts on a Saturday afternoon when place is closed.
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Posted: 16 Nov 2024 at 9:20pm |
 Dirt Farmer wrote:
Idler pulleys, clean grain and return elevator boots if clean out door is good, feeder chains or at least a few feeder chains slats for when 1 gets bent. Check belts if they are any good. Perhaps just get the whole thing and put it in a hedge row for those moments that matter and you're needing parts on a Saturday afternoon when place is closed. |
I wish I could save the whole thing but given logistics of moving it and scrap at $160/ton here, it's a challenge. Honestly the body of the machine itself isn't in great shape, but it has a number of parts I need for my combine.
The raddle slats on my combine are metal and this scrap combine has wood ones (plus several missing), so I wasn't going to save any of them. Belts are all junk, but I will remove some of the pulleys and sprockets.
I did snag the rock door tool and I'll probably take the seat and back cushions as they are in nicer shape than mine.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2024 at 6:42am |
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I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses, I think one is for a CII.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2024 at 11:36am |
I would also save the separator clutch
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Posted: 17 Nov 2024 at 2:26pm |
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wJohn, take your pickup & a uhaul rental trailer to parts CII & haul home what you can. You probably need to schedule a loader tractor at CII site to assist parts removal/loading? But if owner is scrapping it, then possibly they’d be using a loader to assist taking it to scrap, If so & they’d be willing to assist then you might be able to remove(torch out/wrench) anything you might need. Rear axle assembly, Final drives, Transmission, engine assembly, drive shafts, clutch input variable sheave assemblies, main shaft, counter shaft, cleaning fans, chopper, hydraulic system(pump/res/valves,linkages, etc), unloading auger assembly, cleaning shoe/chaffer/sieve, walkers, elevators/chains,augers, etc.
Uhaul trailer rental fees are very economical if you pickup/deliver trailer back to same Uhaul pickup point. So maybe load some of your tools into pickup, grab a uhaul trailer, & make a road trip of it?
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Posted: 17 Nov 2024 at 5:07pm |
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Check the straw walkers, and the bottom between the raddle chain.
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wjohn
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Posted: 17 Nov 2024 at 8:25pm |
PaulB wrote:
I have a couple of NOS wiring harnesses, I think one is for a CII. |
Thanks Paul... If we didn't have pack rats so bad out here, I'd be interested. As it is, if I did install a new harness it would be chewed through in multiple spots in 6 months.
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Posted: 17 Nov 2024 at 8:46pm |
I will try to snag the separator clutch assembly or as much of it as I can.
AC7060IL, the machine is a 15 minute drive away. They are going to set the engine skid assembly off to the side when loading the combine now that I have the engine disconnected. I am sure I won't have time for the trans and finals as that would be very involved, which is too bad. The unloading augers and fans are junk but I will try to snag as many of the rest of those parts you listed as I can.
This has been a good learning experience - I just have a deadline before the machine disappears, so I'll run out of time before I can pull everything I wish I could. I was dead set on pulling the separator beater shaft since the one in my combine has been run with the sprocket loose on it, and has worn down the shaft. So, I fought that for what was probably a couple hours added altogether. Finally got it pounded out. Now that I'm looking at the parts book, there are different shafts corresponding to different beater assemblies for before and after serial number 10000. My combine is after, and of course this one is just before... So I guess I'll have to drop the walkers and roll the beater out of there in order for it to fit the old shaft. |
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Posted: 18 Nov 2024 at 6:04am |
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wjohn, I bought salvage rights to a 1460 IH after mine got here. Uncle found it south of me close to where he lives. I brought home everything I could get! The engine and hydro were already gone but I got both final drives, transmission, rotor, all four wheels and tires, sheet metal galore, both ladders, etc. Left the cab though, no where to store it at the time. My thinking was, I can sell scrap just as well as the owner. Eventually that's where the rotor went, was in rough shape. No way I'd ever use it if I needed one and it took up a fair amount of space. Have fun salvaging, I rather enjoyed it!
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Posted: 18 Nov 2024 at 12:45pm |
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Maybe too late to the party. Since it is scrap anyway, cut the side tin out with a torch and pull beaters, shaft, bearing, and sprockets all out the side in one piece. But then again may not be wildfire safe to cut where it sits. Maybe a good sawsall and cut shafts to take belt pullies and sprockets home, worry about the details latter.
Edited by Ray54 - 18 Nov 2024 at 12:48pm
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wjohn
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Posted: 19 Nov 2024 at 9:51pm |
I managed to grab the separator clutch, a handful of decent sprockets and slip clutch parts, a few good straw walker wood bearing blocks, an unchewed fan blade, and some fingers from the header. The gas tank had no paint left on the outside but it was clean and dry inside. Sure beats the one on my combine that had green sludge come out of it. Now I'm out of time and this old combine is off to the scrapyard.
Ray, cutting out assemblies would've been smart. I am always trying to keep everything intact and that was the wrong mentality in this situation. I have been needing to invest in a torch for a while. We've actually had record rainfall for the month of November and we're barely halfway through.
This combine had an added on Hobbs hour meter attached to the gauge pod, and it had over 4000 hours showing on it. A lot of parts were shot (variable speed holes for the guide pins had been built up once and worn back through) but some of the sprockets that looked good wound up having part numbers paint penned onto the backside, so they were replaced more recently.
I will still need a handful of parts that are available from AGCO to have my combine field ready, and a thresher countershaft. Looks like I will have to cut off and weld on some new sprockets onto a few hubs for the sprocket/hub assemblies that AGCO doesn't have available anymore.
Thanks to everyone for the suggestions.
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Posted: 20 Nov 2024 at 4:12am |
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I have a couple of CII combines for parts. I'm in NY but let me know if I can help at all. Thanks. Don Jr.
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wjohn
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Posted: 23 Nov 2024 at 9:58am |
Thanks Don - will keep you in mind if I can't find what I need around here!
Got the engine home. It seems to turn over by hand fine, and that Wix oil filter isn't too old. I'm guessing this was running 10 years ago, maybe? Manifold is clearly shot but you can still buy those new. I need to bolt the hood and air cleaner back on now that I have it picked out of the combine. Hopefully I won't need it for my CII anytime soon, so maybe it will wind up in one of my D-19s.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2024 at 10:25am |
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That's a later one with the 190XT sized Zenith carburetor on it.
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Posted: 23 Nov 2024 at 1:35pm |
DrAllis wrote:
That's a later one with the 190XT sized Zenith carburetor on it. |
I know people always talk about how much fuel the D-19 gassers went through, but I'd have to assume it would be even more with this later combine configuration. One of my D-19s needs a complete rebuild and has a patch on the side of the block, so it seems like a good candidate with the necessary tractor parts swapped onto this engine.
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