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DSeries4 
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 8:37pm |
It shouldn't be so hard really, but for the life of me I can't get the D21 turbo outlet hose to fit onto the intake pipe. I have the correct hose from AGCO for the Airresearch turbo and found an original intake pipe (part number 74025927), but you will see that both outside diameters are pretty much the same.
Any hints to get this hose on?
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MACK
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 8:47pm |
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It will go, just work it around there. MACK
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 8:59pm |
I used to use a lot of WD40 on motorcycle grips to get them on. Lots, like wet, slide,twist grip on FAST then 'locks' on when WD40 evaporates
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:01pm |
A radiator hose hook might help, also make sure that hose is a little warm, stick it in some hot water... 
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:03pm |
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The small end (2 in ID) goes on the turbo. The larger end (2 1/2 ID) on the tube.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:09pm |
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similar to what Jay said... we use to pour a spoonfull of gasoline into the handle bar grip and slosh it around... then shove on real fast.. gas evaporates in 1 minute and you good to go.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:36pm |
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Foamy window cleaner works well and evaporates soon after.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:44pm |
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You didn't give the PN of the hose. If it is an 74027975, one end is smaller than the other.
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Posted: 01 Mar 2020 at 9:53pm |
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D-21's never had an Air Research turbo and I think your cast aluminum crossover pipe takes a bigger hose for the Thompson/Rajay brand turbo.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 6:01am |
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Late D21 had Air Research Agco Parts On Page # 54
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Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 6:11am |
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Correct. But my point was if it is the cast aluminum crossover tube, that one isn't for the Air Research. It's bigger diameter. The correct tube is tail pipe thin tube.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 10:02am |
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The outside dia of the tube is 2 3/16, the inside dia of the hose is 1 15/16 that aint never going on, even superman couldn't push that on.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 10:20am |
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Maybe wonder woman, Fair Valley Performance sells many different dia of turbo hose.
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Posted: 02 Mar 2020 at 10:57am |
silicone spray works awesome for your exact problem. (for me anyway)
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Posted: 03 Mar 2020 at 8:41am |
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Had a similar problem with a truck where hose went bad - truck parts house had bulk hose and found one to fit , they cut a 1' length off the bulk piece and sold it to me , only needed 6" so now have spare but saved my bacon on the job
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Posted: 04 Mar 2020 at 7:34pm |
I don't know about the D21's, but the D19's used a reducer hose when changing from the Thompson to an Air Research turbo. PN 74027975, It's the same as used on 190XT. The AGCO part is pricey ($40). There are auto aftermarket air intake reducer for around $10. May not be orange. I've discovered this when working on the D19 I bought that had been converted to an Air Research.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 9:02pm |
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That is the correct hose for an air research/Garrett but the cross over tube is for the early tompson style turbo. You will need to get the cross over tube from a 210/220 for everything to plumb up correctly. The cast aluminum cross over tubes don't line up correctly with an air research turbo.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 9:06pm |
 Joe(TX) wrote:
I don't know about the D21's, but the D19's used a reducer hose when changing from the Thompson to an Air Research turbo. PN 74027975, It's the same as used on 190XT. The AGCO part is pricey ($40). There are auto aftermarket air intake reducer for around $10. May not be orange. I've discovered this when working on the D19 I bought that had been converted to an Air Research. |
Yes, I have the AGCO hose PN 74027975 - it is the same diameter on each end. Thanks for the link to the summit racing website. I will double check the overall measurements and probably get one there. The tractor did come with the thin tube that Dr. Allis mentioned, but I do not like it for 2 reasons - aesthetics and functionality. Looks puny and it cannot accommodate the manifold heater.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 9:17pm |
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If u use a 210/220 intake manifold, the heater element is plumbed into the intake manifold
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 9:34pm |
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Years ago when we put a M&W turbo kit on a Deere and the dealer said to put the turbo hoses in a bowl of hot water for a few minutes and they would slide onto the pipes easier.
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Posted: 05 Mar 2020 at 9:36pm |
concretepumper wrote:
If u use a 210/220 intake manifold, the heater element is plumbed into the intake manifold |
Then I have to buy a 210/220 manifold. I still have the original D21 manifold on the engine. I'll study it on the weekend. If a $10 hose from Summit does the trick, I'll be laughing. I already bought the aluminum cross over pipe which houses the heater element.
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Posted: 06 Mar 2020 at 8:28pm |
I just found one on ebay for $3.82 ea. I ordered 2 for my D19's. One already has a TO4B and the other I am installing one.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 7:56pm |
The aluminum crossover pipe is definitely not meant to go with the Airresearch turbo :(
No hose in the world can fix this! Sad to say I will have to put the skinny pipe back on and forgo the manifold heater.
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Posted: 08 Mar 2020 at 7:59pm |
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Get a hose that fits the aluminum pipe. Cut off a piece of the smaller hose that fits the turbo, about 1 1/2" should do it. Slide the big hose over the little hose and clamp it together. It will work. Been there dun that.
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Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 4:39pm |
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The "bushing" method has been applied successfully many times
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Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 6:02pm |
A good welder/fabricator could get that to line up, but air horn pre-heaters are over-rated, anyway, IMHO. Plumb in a thermo-siphon electric heater, and you don't have to do no fabricating, or kill yer battery(s) with the air horn heater...
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Posted: 09 Mar 2020 at 10:57pm |
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Manifold heater works good enough on my 220 however,if it's cold enough to use it,I'd rather have a block heater. Will start at freezing with just M&W's,no heater. I don't start it that cold but I had to try it once.
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