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Orange Blood 
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Posted: 13 Mar 2012 at 6:46pm |
The motor is free, supposedly ran when parked. Central Kansas. Ideas?
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LoggerLee
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Posted: 14 Mar 2012 at 5:04pm |
Whatever it goes for in scrap, or best offer. If it turns over then it pays to make it run, then its worth quite a bit more.
I notice a lot of "unknown if it runs,engine rotates" stuff on Craigslist lately...should have asked grandpa about it before he died and they have to try to sell it.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 9:13am |
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3-71 Detroit, the machines seem to never have lit the fire under many people and were never high in popularity for some reason. Shop out in Rogers MN had one setting for years and never sold it . Little harder to find parts for then many. Engine parts are easy it's the rest of machine that become the problem.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 9:21am |
Thanks guys, heard back from him yesterday, was asking $2500.00, guy called, brought a battery along, and it fired right up, drove like a dream, everything worked but a small cylinder leak, and drove it on the trailer. Part of me says $2500 as it sits, if you try to run it before we have a deal, and it runs another $1000, but I don't know, I don't want to be a jerk either, at that cheap there needs to be risk involved for the buyer????
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 10:37am |
thats about the value the guy had on the one i mentioned , he had it sitting on consignment I believe and guy wanted $2500 back then .. that would be tops for running machine in my guess. Then guess I would not sell my HD5G for less than $5,500 and to find someone to buy it might be hard. So will keep it .. LOL Remember it's a old machine and will not do the work easily a newer machine will do . that straight blade limits it's usefulness in doing real work outside personal playing. A machine with Power angle tilt (PAT 6 way) will do more withthe blade than you can do in 10 times the time spent with this machine.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 1:06pm |
I'm with Coke, they aren't a bad little machine but not worth a lot of money without even an angle blade. Also...tracks that tight usually mean something is worn out in the undercarrage and they tightened it up to make the tracks stay on.
I like it though, its a nice enough looking machine.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 3:25pm |
I agree about the usefulness, we have one also, has a different dozer setup, but you are correct it takes lots of work to get the job done.
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Posted: 15 Mar 2012 at 8:59pm |
The HD5B I had used a 9 ft blade , you could adjust it for angle by sliding side rails as the center was pinned into U frame with center pivot point. The blade wasn't real high (24" or so) and the amount of material you could get on blade was small . I replaced all the linkage like on the 7 pictured with 2 - 36" cylinders to get better down pressure and better lift. I built front supports to anchor these cylinders. Would not work well in hard ground, full blade created using 1st gear. I could push more material faster with the 5G bucket than I could with dozer. The FD5 with 6 way blade at 7ft and being 38" or more in height would carry more material and bairely slowed down with full blade . Now the 3-71 would be about 25 HP more than HD5 so might give more umph to push but still is going to be slow .
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Posted: 18 Mar 2012 at 6:36pm |
 Part of me says $2500 as it sits, if you try to run it before we have a deal, and it runs another $1000, but I don't know, I don't want to be a jerk either, at that cheap there needs to be risk involved for the buyer???? |
If I heard something like that when i went to look at a piece of equipment, Id walk off. HOW RUDE!!! Your looking/buying a 60+ year old piece of machinery, isnt that risk? If the owner is too lazy or cant make time to prepare a machine for sale then the risk should be his. Maby the buyer gets lucky, maby not. You dont jack the price because someone else took the responsibility of finding the actual condition of the machine.
No offense meant, that just doesnt sit well with me....
Edited by CAL(KS) - 18 Mar 2012 at 6:40pm
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Posted: 19 Mar 2012 at 1:21am |
Orange Blood, you buying or selling?
If you are selling it for $2500 then $2500 is the price, if I went to buy something and made it run and they jacked the price on me I'd just hand them a bill for a mechanic call out for the difference.
If you try to jack up the price then you are in fact a jerk (if that is what you are doing...) You want another $1000 then start out asking $3500 after you put a battery in it and make it run....jeez
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Posted: 20 Mar 2012 at 9:08pm |
No Logger Lee, I am not selling or buying, I was just throwing out my thoughts, I clearly said, I don't know about doing that.
The point I was thinking about which I left out was IF I were selling something for X number of dollars, listed as not running, that sale should be done before the tinkering goes on, i.e. I don't want you working on my equipment trying to get it running without the sale made, so if you break something, or hurt yourself, where does that leave me. You are correct, IF I decided to make it run first then I can ask more, but I don't think it's right to go to someones place, look at a piece of equipment that is listed as "None Running" at x dollars, then basically make the deal only if you get it running. I am not saying I have done this, or would do it, it was just a thought.
No offense taken, thanks for discussing this. :-)
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Posted: 21 Mar 2012 at 8:41am |
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now i can agree with that. thank you for clarifying
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Posted: 21 Mar 2012 at 10:33am |
Well the way I've always done it. I go look at the tractor the way it is, if its supposed to run then I want to hear it run. If its not a runner then I deal on it the way it is, once a deal is made I usually try starting the tractor because they are easier to load that way, if it runs good if not then I'll have to load it another way. But a non running tractor I never try to get running until we've made a DEAL (meaning I hand him the money and he gives me a bill of sale) the way it is.
Bought a TD9 dozer last year, paid $1800 cause' the engine was froze up and had antifreeze in the oil, I figured it was a good deal because the undercarrage and blade were worth what I paid, pushed it on the trailer, hauled it home and had it running that afternoon. Me and the fella selling it were both happy, so that worked just right.
I'm not a fan of the variable deal, If the price is more than I want to pay then I leave them my offer and don't pester them farther, if they decide to take my offer then all they have to do is call. (I'll bring a battery and try to start something that "runs" but if it wont start with minimal effort then it doesn't "run") Once I tell someone that I'll buy something then I'm buying it, even if I find a better deal or have second thoughts.
That is how I do it and so far I've never had anyone mad at me, and I've never been mad at them.
I'm glad that I misunderstood you Orange Blood!
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Posted: 21 Mar 2012 at 4:32pm |
Basically I think we all agree. So now that the baseline is understood, how does one handle a guy or gal, that comes over and looks at an item listed as non running, at X dollars, and wants to get it running before they make a deal, or discuss price. The thought I was trying :-) to throw out there was, if we don't have a deal yet, and you get it running, it will cost more. This should discourage their plans to tinker on it until after they own it, but like I said above, I don't want to be a jerk about it, or do I just say nope, it's AS IS, right here right now. Normally I do all the buying, and the only selling I do typically is of running equipment.
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Posted: 21 Mar 2012 at 10:59pm |
I'd just tell them that I'm not in the mood to have someone mess it all up trying to get it running, if they want to cross my palm with the asking price then they are welcome to tinker with they're new equipment for a little while before they need to get it out of there.
As long as you say it nicely then I don't see the problem with that. The price is as is where is, I've had guys tell me that and I can respect it, but I always ask for a few days to get stuff out (locked up finals and sticky tracks can take a while)
I don't think you are being a jerk to tell them the price is "as is where is". In fact that would be the only deal I'd make with someone that wasn't a friend.
Edited by LoggerLee - 21 Mar 2012 at 11:02pm
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Posted: 24 Mar 2012 at 6:50am |
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An old piece of construction equipment like this HD7 is worth different amounts of money to each individual. When buying an old dozer all a person can do is check that it is all there and the possible fix it up costs. I am one of these frugal people that has to make my money for fun stuff like old dozers go as far as possible. Most of my machines cost me more than I expected and when I sold them they were in far better condition than when I bought them. But I had a lot of fun fixing them up and was happy to see them go to a new home. I had one of these old HD7's with the 3-71 motor. The Detroit Diesel was reliable to start and inexpensive to repair. From the pictures I think it is a good value for $2500 but I would try to talk him down a little on the price. What is it worth to you? That is my two cents comment. Good luck and have fun.
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Posted: 26 Mar 2012 at 2:35pm |
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AC HD-7 were good old dozers, but a lot of improvements showed up postwar, especially in AC. (War Dept had frozen designs to maximize production during the war).... I've had 2 HD-7's and enjoyed operating them.
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Posted: 27 Mar 2012 at 9:15pm |
Orange Blood, I happen to have the identical twin to the 7 you have
pictured. The neighbor gave me and older Case backhoe and said that I
would have to take the "Cat" with it, to make a long story short, I
drove them both home and I have to tell you I really like the old "7",
quite, smooth, a bit tired but well maintained. The 3-71 a "low block"
the difference being the liners and head gasket, still available, every
thing else is pretty much the same. I would much rather listen to the
smooth DD @1500 RPMs verses a cackling D4. The 14's were not well
received in this area back in the day, there were quite a few 10's and a
few 7's. I like mine, it will make an operator out of you, I haven't
got there yet  for a 70 year old tractor I would say it is still
doing pretty well and I like to tell people (we know who they are) who
look down their noses at anything but yellow "I beats the heck out of
using a shovel" It's value??? is whatever someone is willing to pay Tad
who has more fun than people on tractors?? especially if it is an HD7
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Posted: 29 Mar 2012 at 8:00am |
Tad, what are you growing out there besides rocks? 
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Posted: 30 Mar 2012 at 3:31pm |
The 7 pictured is not mine, but we do have an orange HD7, and I have always enjoyed using it. One of the steering clutches will not release, so it take twice as long to do anything, since turning one way is great, but turn the other way, is a back-up job :-(
Anyway I agree the little 3-71 is a pretty good little engine.
Thanks again for all the comments, great discussion.
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