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    Posted: 01 Apr 2011 at 5:50am
I was thinking of growing a acre of wheat an acre of oaks, and  two acres of corn. I have sheep and  I would grow my own feed. I have a corn picker, and a all crop 66 I have never used. There are two all crops up the road from me they are 72 . How many of you are a small grain farmer?  How small are you? I grow Vegetable so I do not have time to grow much grain. I do think that having the  equipment it would be cheaper than buying the feed. Your in put please.
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For no more acreage than that I don't see how it would pay for even the upkeep on the equipment unless it's your favorite hobby.On the other hand I couldn't see finding someone that does custom combining that would come for that amount.
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I raise 4 arces of corn 3 barley and 3 rye and harvest all with my allcrop 60 I have found that feeding all your grain to livestock you can get more out of it. I raise bottle calves.
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Sometimes I think that farming that amount with my Allis equipment would be just right, Darrel
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I have no idea what your current feed costs you. I have four acres set aside that I use for my Allis play box. Been rotating between wheat and soy beans -- plow, disk, plant, havest with Allis toys. Don't know how much feed you need either.  If you enjoy doing this stuff, might work out for you. On the flip side - you might actually end up spending more dollars - again don't know how many sheep you have and your current costs - but there are costs involved -- seed, fertilizers, sprays, etc.  The fun rewards -- priceless!
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With todays prices of seed, fertilizer,spray,fuel and combining you have to wiegh the costs both ways.If you like going out and working a little to subsidize your feed thats ok,but it may cost you more in the long run.
We have 20+acres of wheat,19acres of hay,12acres of oats,15acres of corn and after we harvest wheat we will plant 20+acres of late soybeans this season.
My gut feeling for you is it will be cheaper just to buy your feed and have a BIG garden for your family..
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If making money was the primary metric of Allis hobby farmers, we would abandon the cause. 
 
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Originally posted by GlenninPA GlenninPA wrote:

If making money was the primary metric of Allis hobby farmers, we would abandon the cause. 
 
Go have fun with your toys! Be happy you have a place to utilize the byproducts of your activities.
 
I just didnt want to see him get his hopes up that he going to SAVE money on an acre of this and and acre of that. By allmeans go have fun,beats sitting on the couch..Lol
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Depends, if you don't have many inputs and have time to cultivate it you should be able to come out even or ahead. You don't have to use roundup, you know.

I'm doing a VERY small plot (1/4 acre) of corn with my Gravely walk behind. We've got horse manure and we don't use herbicides or pesticides. When I get my B going I'll acquire a few implements for it and do a larger plot. Right now we're just testing out different open pollinated varieties and hoping to feed our chickens.
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  Hello Wood    Were BIG time farmers 2 sc sweet corn, 1 ac pumpkins and my son makes 1000+ bales of hay. We use only Allis Chalmers,  the newest is a D19D,  not making any money but having a lot of fun.
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How may bushel of wheat, oats and corn do you expect you will be able to harvest?  Now what would be the cost to buy that same amount of grain?  From buying the seed, working the land, to harvesting, how much money are you going to have invested in your crop?  What about your time, what's it worth?  I believe when you put all these numbers down on paper you are going to find that if your time is worth anything, you can buy the grain cheaper than you can produce it.  If you currently grow vegetables I'd plant 4 more acres of them and buy the grain instead of trying to raise such small amounts.  If however you still want to give it a try, I'd strongly suggest you pick just one crop and plant all 4 acres in it. 

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Small is a relative term.  this year Dad and i will plant 100 acres of corn, 200 acres of beans, 4000 square bales and 140 head of cattle and that's after a full time job.  That's small compared to a lot of guys on this site.  If my time was worth anything, i would have half a dozen lawn mowers and a bobcat working in town after the full time job.  That's if it was about the money.  I had all that and sold it to go back to the farm where i belong. 

Get your old Allis tractors out, use them, and be happy.  Do it smart, don't waste time or money and worst case, you have a good tax write off.

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Thanks for the  comments.
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we own my grandfathers 40 acre farm.  it has been a hay farm for years . this year i planted 10 acres of wheat.   i hope to get my allcrop out there next year.  my buddy will harvest it this year.  pretty normal here in western oregon 150 bushel wheat with no water.  i am hoping for 100 bushel with it being my first go round.  i would kind of like to feed my grain too.   got a neighbor that cleans all his grain and sells some nice feed wheat with some rye grass seed in it to cheap to compete with. 
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Everyones situation is different...
 
When it comes to the All-Crops, I got folks using them jsut for "play", and some who are serious users who can justify the cost of parts to keep them running.  If your doing it for play, its a lot easier question: "What will my wife let me get away with $$ wise".  For profit, well a lot of number crunching needs to happen.
 
One scenario a "for profit" user that comes to mind is one organic farm who used a lot of
clover seed.. Being able to harvest their own seed has saved them a lot of $$ and they just put some serious bucks into their machine...
 
 
 
 
If its not an All-Crop, it all crap!
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Don't worry, Be Happy!! Everyone knows there's no money in farming anyway! Here's how I did 8 acres of Oats in 2009:
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You might consider growing all corn and storing it for a couple years in a crib. Have an oats bin and grow oats and wheat the second year and store them. A bag of seed corn used to plant 3 acres.
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Want to buy a duck?
 You can  raise it faster than sheep....eat less too......
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Wood, I would go for it. The more independent you are the better, and the way things are looking there may be a lot of folks wishing in time that they had a acre or two of grain. The 66 should be more than enough to harvest the crops.
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For several years around here you seldom seen even the large cattle farms growing their own grain. They would say "you can buy it cheaper than you can grow it" but now that has changed since corn has gotten higher. You can see corn growing in fields here that haven't had corn on them in 20 or 30 years.JP  
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