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tominMi ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 2011 Points: 67 |
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I m planning to buy a D17 and would prefer a diesel vs a gas for the power and additional longevity of a diesel. I've located 2 diesels, neither owner knows the actual hours on their tractor. one has had some engine work done. New head gasket, head was milled when gasket was replaced, new injector pump, injectors set, a new radiator 2 /3 years ago, starter rebuild. The other owner indicates his tractor has only had a new injector pump and injectors, no other engine work mentioned. I have no personal experience with the Allis diesel engines other than I know of a D19 diesel that is still running on original engine with only routine maintenance . My question is when these diesels reach the point of requiring replacement of injector pump, injectors &/or head gasket replacement are they nearing the point where more serious engine work up to & including redoing upper & lower engine is needed?
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SteveM C/IL ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 8629 |
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Sadly the engine used in the 17's are not in the same class as other diesels. Not known for long life and EXPENSIVE to repair.
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Jordan(OH) ![]() Orange Level ![]() Joined: 11 Sep 2009 Location: Celina, OH Points: 1565 |
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Read this if you want to learn about 262 diesel repair.
https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/looking-for-d19-diesel-engine-parts_topic204858.html |
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DanWi ![]() Orange Level Access ![]() ![]() Joined: 18 Sep 2009 Location: wttn Points: 1926 |
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If you want a d17 you are probably better off with a gas. Especially if you have questions and concerns about the diesel. If you want a diesel then I would look at a 170/175 or 180/185.
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RedHeeler79 ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 09 Sep 2023 Location: NE Kansas Points: 201 |
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The 262 diesel in D17 tractors has a reputation for being problematic. They are smooth running and have snappy power when all things are in order, but they are plagued with some very common issues. Cylinder sleeves have a very narrow top flange that seats in the block deck counterbore, and they erode over time and use, which results in sunken sleeves. This causes head gaskets to fail, and requires expensive machine work to repair correctly. Cylinder heads are very prone to cracking as well. A good cylinder head is extremely hard to find, as MOST parts for these engines are scarce - either new or used. Most of them are difficult to start when cold, and typically require starting fluid to light off unless it’s very warm outside. Just a few things to be wary of as a buyer. If you enjoy a good project, you will probably be faced with it sooner or later. A gas D17 will actually have more horsepower and start, run and last more reliably than the diesel. That said, there are those of us who own the diesels on this forum, so plenty of info is available. Just be aware of what you are looking at going into the deal.
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HudCo ![]() Orange Level ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2013 Location: Plymouth Utah Points: 3914 |
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i am rebiulding our family d17 d it is a serious expensive engine to biuld so it wil last again , now i would not say that it could not for many hours ours turned the hour meter over a few times and it got worked hard . you are not going to in frame it and have it last long
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DanielW ![]() Silver Level ![]() Joined: 19 Sep 2022 Location: Ontario Points: 221 |
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I can't add any to what others have said re: the 262 diesel in the D17. It's got a bad reputation, and the value of D17 diesels today seems to be more as a curiosity than as a daily chore tractor.
I would suggest two two other considerations: i) For me, a 170 gas or diesel would be more desirable tractor for daily chore/'around-the-farm' use. If you're set on a diesel, the Perkins used in the 170 had a reputation for being pretty much indestructible and only sipping the fuel. ii) I've done a complete flip on my opinion of gas vs. diesel on old tractors. For a heavy tillage tractor or one running heavier loads all day (like a round baler), I still prefer a diesel. But for smaller chore tractors or tractors only seeing a few hours of use each week and especially for older/antique tractors, I've switched to strongly preferring gas. The last four or five old tractors I've bought have all been gassers, and I'm very glad I went that route instead of diesel. Gassers can usually be had for quite cheap. With the higher cost of diesel these days and most old gassers being surprisingly efficient, gassers don't cost much more to run per hour. If maintained reasonably, they'll still last decades without needing any major overhaul work. And when they do need work, they're much, much cheaper and easier to work on/overhaul. And there's a lot larger selection of decent older gas tractors of that era (including D17's). Very few people are getting rid of diesel tractors until they're completely clapped out. But there are loads of gas tractors (including D17's) available all the time that will run dandy for years with nothing but a carb kit, distributor tune up, and possibly a fuel tank cleaning. All stuff you can do at home for less than $100. Even when they do get worn out, a rebuild on a gasser is usually a pretty cheap, routine and (comparatively) easy affair to do at home. Even if you find a diesel in great shape and it lasts 30% longer, when it does need work you'll have the extra cost of injector/injection-pump service, higher parts cost, more finicky rebuild requirements (valve protrusion & fire-ring/sleeve protrusion) requiring more advanced machine-shop work, etc. I will concede that the D17 diesel is a pretty cool tractor. But not something I'd want myself, unless I was interested in how unique they are.
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tominMi ![]() Bronze Level ![]() Joined: 23 Aug 2011 Points: 67 |
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Thank you everyone for the responses. After reading them I've changed my mind on these two tractors I considered. As suggested the D 17 gas or 170 180 series w Perkins would be a better choice. Several farms here ran with Masseys powered by Perkins and just kept on ticking for years.
Has the D-17 transmission drive system got any issues to watch for?
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