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nanuk 
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 Topic: 7000 series hydraulic pumps R&R
Posted: 04 Sep 2024 at 12:27pm |
Where can I go to learn how to remove/replace the hydraulic pumps?
my 7060's remote valve pump appears weak, and this spring when I started the tractor, the power steering felt like it was binding (it wasn't, so I assume the pump was not functioning correctly
as well, there's a local 7040 for sale, says it needs a power steering pump
I'm interested in learning about these.
Thanks 'nuk
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8070nc
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Posted: 04 Sep 2024 at 4:37pm |
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Best place is an original service manual
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Lynn Marshall
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Posted: 04 Sep 2024 at 6:02pm |
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The steering system and the remote valves use different pumps. It would be unlikely that both pumps could be bad at the same time. They use a common oil reservoir and filters. I would start with changing the filters and maybe even the oil. A good gauge to check some pressures is also critical.
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Posted: 04 Sep 2024 at 9:27pm |
The remote valve pump has always been weak
the steering is a new symptom
new filters/oil 2 years ago, and oil has always been clear when I check.
when I removed the old oil (no idea how many years it was in there) there was little discolouration, and no water that I could tell. Also, the filters were not very dirty.
this is why I am leaning to the pump being weak.
but the steering pump has me worried.
I have a couple manuals, but don't remember seeing R&R on the pumps.
I'll have to look again.
I plan on doing a complete oil/filter change this fall IF I do OK baling.... need to find an extra $1500 for that.
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Posted: 05 Sep 2024 at 6:33am |
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The remotes "seeming weak" need to be verified by connecting a 3,000 psi gauge to the test port on the side of the PTO valve. Max pressure should be 2500 psi. Stand-by pressure should be adjusted to 500 to 600 psi. Until this is checked, you don't know for sure, you just think you know. Incorrect remote hose TIPS are also a probability. With the engine OFF, both remote levers must lock into detent when pulling them to the rear. They should also detent into the float position when clear forward. Worn out and maladjusted linkage can give you "weak" hydraulics. Both flow controls must have the LONG side of the roll pin lever pointed straight DOWN for max flow. Consult your owners manual for pictures on this. The fact that this has been going on for some time makes me think it isn't serious, just neglected. The power steering is another issue starting with AGCO filters and nothing else. Then, check for a sticking priority valve spool. Of course I heard of a 7020 a couple weeks ago that had hydraulic system problems and they added 14 gallons of oil to the rear end..........................
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Posted: 05 Sep 2024 at 9:58pm |
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My 7010 had difficult steering all of a sudden.
I assume your 7000 series is similar. Turns out it was a blocked orifice. It is on the bottom of the tractor. You can fix without major removal. I thought i had bad pump but was not the case. I recommend starting there on steering.
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Posted: 10 Sep 2024 at 10:51am |
Dr Allis, Calico, thanks for the info
at the end of baling season, I hope to be able to really did into this
my one remote roll pin is not original, but the other one, that I use for the baler gate is, and it is pointed down (the rotating lever in the cab shows slow, but I confirmed at the back.
I assume someone before me had it apart, and assembled it to get it working, not thinking about the correct positions
I will get a gauge and test pressures when I have a chance. initially I was thinking of rigging a gauge to a hose tip and check at the outlet.
I'm gonna see about getting the AC female tips. ( I hope they are compatible with a JD factory male tip, or I'm getting more parts... )
My 7060 wears only AGCO filters now. all new a couple years ago. Time to change them. only about 150 hours on them, and the oil remains clear.
Calico, I'll have to look into this orifice, I'm not sure what you are referring to, but with some research, I am sure I'll find it
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Posted: 10 Sep 2024 at 12:55pm |
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Checking pressure at a remote outlet will show max pressure but not standby pressure. It needs to be checked at the tee on the pto valve
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calico190xt68
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Posted: 10 Sep 2024 at 6:21pm |
Here is a link to my post where I tackled the problem. I did not realize the shims where still in the spool cap so watch out for that. Make sure you have a pan underneath when you pull it apart so you don't lose the parts.
My take on the condition is that if your hydraulics work fine on the your implements and your 3pt goes up and down fine, then that means the pump is not bad. That would isolate it to the steering condition. My steering wheel got very difficult to turn like it was in a bind but all other hydraulics worked. Something clogged up the orifice. I couldn't tell after disassembly where the clog was but it has been fine since i put it back together and that was about a year ago. I did change the filters in the rear end and I changed the filter under the radiator later. I also bought no parts to fix this other than filters. I kind of wonder if my filter might have failed and let something get into the orifice. May or may not be your issue but it is simple and easy to try. You can see my pictures in the link. I do have a leaking steering cylinder that is getting progressively worse on my 7010. I fixed the 7020 with a rebuild of the cylinder so going to do the same to the 7010. Good luck and hope it isn't a pump. They are about $1800 to buy a rebuilt one.
https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/7010-steering-issue_topic193506_post1657973.html?KW=7010#1657973
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Posted: 12 Sep 2024 at 11:24am |
Thanks 8070nc, I'll look into that.
raining now, I may have a few days to take some pictures and test
Calico, thanks for the link. a good read.
my steering felt like it was binding, when trying to turn, it was a ratcheting sound/feel, and as the steering wheel turned, the front wheels did not.
as I limped it to the yard, it suddenly came free and steers normal now. I think my steering issue was a blockage, that is now free.
still thinking about my remote cylinder pressures etc...
Dr. Allis, when tractor is off, my left remote lever will lock into both back/forward/float. my right remote lever locks in back/forward.... but not float.
I need to research the adjustment on this.
you folks on here are simply awesome!
if I was incredibly wealthy, I'd buy you all a coffee!!!
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calico190xt68
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Posted: 12 Sep 2024 at 10:00pm |
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I am not sure your steering problem is fixed. The blockage may be floating around in there so the condition may return. My previous post should give you details to fix bad steering though should it return. Good luck. You may have multiple problems though.
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Posted: 14 Sep 2024 at 6:39pm |
I'm hoping not.
maybe the filter grabbed what was floating around there...
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