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Fantrum
Silver Level Access Joined: 02 Feb 2021 Location: Missouri Points: 240 |
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Posted: 29 Sep 2022 at 4:01am |
Hey, everyone!
So, I'll admit it, these are almost certainly stupid questions.. But I want to make sure I don't do anything wrong. I have a 1968 190XT gasser. I'll be brush hogging with it this weekend. I've only used PTO implements on newer tractors that weren't picky on how you use the PTO. As far as I understand, there are certain rules with Allis and using the PTO. Turn on the PTO similar to how you shift into gear - Stopped and with the clutch pedal depressed. That much is in the manual. It also says I can stop the tractor while running the PTO by shifting the power director into neutral. Hydraulic actuated PTO says not to use the brake, but does this apply to mine since it is not hydraulic actuated? And is it even talking about the brake pedal or a brake for the PTO clutch? Can I stop and go like normal with the PTO running? Can I shift gears with the PTO running? Will shifting from forward into reverse to back into a pile of weeds while the PTO is running hurt anything? Is there anything specific I should know? Again, I'm certain these are stupid questions, but I'd really rather not hurt my baby due to ignorance on older tractors. I really appreciate any insight. Thanks!
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8579 |
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You sound as if you have it figured out. Being that you don't have a hydraulic pto clutch, you are correct in the fact that you have to depress the clutch pedal before engaging the pto. I think of it now as the foot clutch being my pto clutch.
Then with the foot clutch still depressed, select the gear you are going to be using. Then with the power director in neutral, let the foot clutch out. Pto will start up. Now, where it gets a little "gray area", is how much drag your power director clutch has. I'll tell you of my own experience with my XT. When everything is still cold, the tractor would want to move, but could easily be held with the foot brakes. After everything was good and warmed up, having the power director in neutral was no different than stepping on the clutch as far as drag. I used the PD for all of the "stop and go" ground speed. I even changed gears from forward gear to reverse just by having the PD in neutral, foot clutch out with the pto spinning. You'll want to shift very quickly. I had no gear clash whatsoever as long as I shifted fast. I've baled probably 15,000 bales with this XT over the course of 15-20 years using it like that with no ill effects. Example, new Holland baler I used to have, had auto wrap, and occasionally, if facing down hill when the bale got full, I'd have to back up before kicking the bale out, then drive ahead before closing the tailgate. Procedure went like this; full bale alarm goes off, throw pd in neutral, tractor stops (add braking if on a hill),bale starts wrapping, while bale is wrapping, quickly shift from 3rd to reverse, feather the pd towards the low side to back up 10-15 feet, put shifter back to 3rd, when bale finished wrapping, open the end gate kick bale out, feather the pd back to pull away from the bale, then back to neutral with pd, close end gate, pull the pd back to start making the next bale, and if baling was good, move the pd to high side without missing a beat. The whole procedure without once touching the foot clutch. If baling was good and no breakdowns, I could bale for hours, and have only used the foot clutch to initially get started, wouldn't need to even touch it after that. Doing it that way for years, and still am. Just upgraded balers, no longer have to back up before kicking bale out Darrel |
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DrAllis
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Darrel's instructions are very good. I would also add that if your gearshift joints are loose, tighten them up to help with the forward/reverse shifting. There is a 1/2" bolt and lock nut at each end of the shifter tunnel. Tighten them up until they drag too much and then loosen (ever so slightly) until it moves easy enough to suit you. Some oil on each joint improves things as well. It always irked me to jump in someones mighty One-Ninety with those sloppy, so I always snugged them up to make it right.
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SteveM C/IL
Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Shelbyville IL Points: 7970 |
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Yes Darrel gave good procedure advice
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8579 |
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Forgive me a little "long windedness" here, but I am going to give a little more "background story." Long before I ever became interested in Allis chalmers, I had a lot of negativity about Allis drilled into my head, and one such thing was that 190s/XTs did NOT have live PTO! So, one time while I was working at West plains implement,I was visiting with a guy who told me about how much he liked baling with his xt. I thought that he must be a "nut job" to like baling with a tractor with no live PTO, so I asked him about it. His reply was simply that he used the power director, and so he didn't have to hold his foot on the clutch while the bale was tying. This being pre net wrap days, it was a big deal. That really sparked my interest, to the point that when I started farming, I couldn't wait to get an xt, mostly just for baling.
It finally happened that I did get an xt, still had twine tie baler, and not having to hold my foot on the clutch while tying the bale was a perk. One night I helped a neighbor bale; we had identical balers, but he had a "almost new" Ford new Holland tractor, with the forward/neutral/reverse shuttle. He was telling me how much he loved that tractor for baling, because he just had to put the shuttle into neutral when the bale was tying, and didn't have to hold his foot on the clutch. I quickly told him that I didn't have to either, but my tractor was 25 years older than his! His wife "V" raked ahead of us that night, and I baled bale for bale with him all night Darrel |
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AC720Man
Orange Level Joined: 10 Oct 2016 Location: Shenandoah, Va Points: 4635 |
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I would rather bale with my XT than any other tractor we have on the farm. I’ve never tried the clutch less shift Darrel from forward to reverse, interesting, may have to try that.
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darrel in ND
Orange Level Joined: 22 Nov 2009 Location: Hebron, ND Points: 8579 |
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I don't know why I haven't thought of this before, but I am definitely going to take Dr Allis advice and tighten up and lubricate the shifter joints on my XT and gasser.
Thanks for that advice Dr! Darrel |
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Ky.Allis
Orange Level Joined: 31 Jan 2010 Location: Kentucky Points: 962 |
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Darrel is spot on. I've been using my 200 the exact same way for 48 yrs. now with zero issues. Now, if you have an older baler that required you shut off the PTO to eject the bale and your tractor had manual PTO, then that's a whole different deal.
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Fantrum
Silver Level Access Joined: 02 Feb 2021 Location: Missouri Points: 240 |
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Y'all are awesome, I really appreciate the insight and help. Makes me a lot more confident that I won't mess something major up!
Thanks for the tips as well. Definitely going to check the tightness on it - I had never heard of that until now.
Have a great weekend everyone! |
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