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steve(ill)
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Chevy Volt has owned it for a year and never bought gas. It works for her. A far as an electric vehicle working for everyone they haven't got there yet. More than likely never will. For a lot of people an electric may be fine, the market will determine that.
NO... WIPE and the Greenies say THEY WILL DETERMINE THAT.... Look at Kalifornia MANDATES...
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Like them all, but love the "B"s.
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DaveKamp
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Running an internal combustion engine to generate electricity, to charge a chemical storage battery array, which is then used to drive electric motors, is a 3-stage net loss of efficiency. You're getting about 16% thermodynamic efficiency going from combustion to mechanical, about 73% from mechanical to electric, about 84% storing it as a chemical battery, then 73% turning it from electrical back into mechanical. Let's quantify that by using an arbitrary number of 255,000btu of heat energy... that's 100hp of thermal input... which yields 18hp of mechanical output, that translates to 13.4 kw/hr, but you're losing 27% for battery charging which yields 9.8kwhr... Storing it chemically generates heat, knocks it down to 8.232kw/hr convert it back and you'll get 7.15 mechanical, but only 73% makes it to the wheels for 6.009kw, or 8.05 hp/hr. That's staggering losses, when one could just accept the first 18% by going from internal combustion to mechanical. And internal combustion of liquid fuels is a much higher energy-storage medium per weight and volume, and it's recharge is dramatically faster, substantially safer, and exhibits NO transfer loss (gravity will do it!). Those who think it makes sense, understand neither physics, nor math.
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Ten Amendments, Ten Commandments, and one Golden Rule solve most every problem. Citrus hand-cleaner with Pumice does the rest.
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DMiller
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Oh now Dave, cannot confuse the left with Facts or Education, that is unreasonable
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JW in MO
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Hmmmm, wonder which one they will label "Settled Science." |
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Maximum use of available resources!
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DMiller
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Les Kerf
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Lead-acid batteries are 'proven technology'.
The major advantage of lithium-type batteries is their energy/weight characteristic. They have huge disadvantages in most other aspects. Lead-acid batteries are heavy; this really isn't important in a stationary application. Lead batteries are one of the most recycled items on the planet. Lithium batteries, not so much. |
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Dorix
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I think Tesla is gonna make a whole lot more money with the power systems then the car division will in the future.
I was told once, and mind you I have no idea if this person is right, that the cars are mostly a platform to recover the costs for research and development of batteries and related components.
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Walker
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Solyndra resurfacing?
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exSW
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Found out a fun fact. The car battery paks have about 10x the capacity as the "Power Wall" they market.
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Learning AC...slowly
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