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FREEDGUY 
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Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 5:43pm |
There's a post on a different forum about a guy that let a neighbor "rent" his combine (CIH 8240). He was asking about compensation and the replies were an eye opener. Some were $28-$35/ acre and some were $250+/ separator hour. My first thought was the separator hour was outrageous, but perhaps the machine can cover "gobs" of acres in an hour and be the best deal. If any of you had to rely on a custom harvester, which scenario would you "prefer" to pay for? I realize that the crop getting into the bin is a must and $$ will be paid, but is the acreage price or the hourly rate simply a "wash" ?? Thanks
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DMiller
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Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 5:52pm |
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Call your local AG dealer as to rentals, shock should wear off in a day or two.
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klinemar
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Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 5:53pm |
https://www.canr.msu.edu/resources/custom-machine-work-costs. There Freedguy all you have to do is search and you can find.
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Ray54
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Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 7:35pm |
Time for you to use your brain or google it again.
But this time I will set the problem up for you.  But I am guessing part of the facts. 
From your talk you have been around a Gleaner F. My most time is in Gleaner MH2. With 18 foot grain head 3 miles per hour was top speed. All we know is antient history, not the modern world.
Here is the guess from several different places. The 15 year old machines and newer are talking 3 to 6 miles per hour with 30 foot head.
So now show the world you can do algebra.
16.5 feet wide by a 1/2 mile long is a acre*** that is a fact any farm boy should know but did you combine going 5 + m/p/r cutting 30 foot wide is how many acres per hour *** Just pretend 5+ mpr makes up for the 3 feet he is missing to have a acre every time it goes a 1/2 mile down the field.
No way for me to check if this speed and cut width is for real, cause I read it on the internet.
How is your brain doing?  Has it over heated yet.  Or has it died
OK what number did you get???????????????????????????????????????????????
Yes guys I know it was a bit hard for joe supporter to do any thinking. Lets Go Brandon YES I DID TURN IT POLITICAL CAUSE IT IS THAT KIND OF DUMB QUESTION.
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Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 8:26pm |
Ray I was afraid you were going to say something like this when I started reading: 17.5 ft on 30in row is a thousandth of a acre and a 30ft head takes how many rows and at 5 mph your covering how many ft of row total per hr and how many thousandths would said rows be per 17.5 ft and the distance traveled would equal, ah hell I'm not worth a damn at algebra, never mind. Freed should be along to thank you for the KISS example.
I just realized he never gave a crop and header type, now the question is if your using a 30 ft straight head could you get 13 rows?
Edited by Kansas99 - 21 Nov 2021 at 8:33pm
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steve(ill)
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Posted: 21 Nov 2021 at 9:49pm |
4 miles an hour is 21,000 ft........... x 30 ft wide = 630,000 sq ft or ...16 acres per hour...
at $30 per thats $480. per hour ........... (assuming the 4 MPH and 30 wide are correct)..
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shameless dude
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 1:31am |
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different crops bring different rental rates. there are all kinds of senerios as to what custom harvesters charge. some charge so much per acre plus so much per bushel, some charge just by the acres, some charge of time the machine is used, some charge as a trade off on something else, i have rented combines thru my lifetime, you have to figure out if the grain left in the field is worth more to you to harvest it or leave it. there are many custom harvesting companies out there, some charge the same way, some don't. just hafta find one that fits your harvest. and another reason for high rental rates...who's gonna cover the fuel/upkeep and repairs? is there any support equipment included?
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 5:47am |
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Custom Harvesting rates can vary. I have heard of Operators harvesting for a share of the crop. Others by the acre,and here the honor system needs to be applied unless a way is established to measure acreage. The easiest is hours of operation, right off the hour meter. As for trucking,by the bushel weighed.
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 6:16am |
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Neighbor, years ago put the corn up he didn’t use as corn silage, as high moisture shelled corn into a Harvestore. Customs operator shelled the corn for him. Paid an hourly rate, plus paid him a certain percentage of the yield. The farmer did the trucking from the field to the silo, had about a dozen gravity boxes. The farmer said it never would have paid off to own a combine, for just those few days in the fall it took to harvest the corn.
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I tried to follow the science, but it was not there. I then followed the money, and that’s where I found the science.
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Tbone95
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 6:58am |
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There isn't much custom work in this area, but there's a guy 30 miles west of me that does it. It's $32 per acre corn or soybeans, per combine, 2 combines and a cart show up. They arrange trucking but that's additional. He is booked solid, the farther east he goes, I know a guy whose soybeans don't usually come off until Christmas!
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 12:01pm |
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Young man I know just bought a new John Deere S 790 Combine this fall. He had traded during wheat harvest. $500,000 plus his S690. Lot of Corn and Soybeans to pay that off!
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Ray54
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 12:26pm |
 steve(ill) wrote:
4 miles an hour is 21,000 ft........... x 30 ft wide = 630,000 sq ft or ...16 acres per hour...
at $30 per thats $480. per hour ........... (assuming the 4 MPH and 30 wide are correct)..
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Come on Steve I knew 99% could do this, but can Jeff? Rather simple math and one of those round it off and close is good enough for what its for.
Edited by Ray54 - 22 Nov 2021 at 12:42pm
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 12:36pm |
klinemar wrote:
Young man I know just bought a new John Deere S 790 Combine this fall. He had traded during wheat harvest. $500,000 plus his S690. Lot of Corn and Soybeans to pay that off! |
One forum was wondering which color combine would be the first to cost a million. Then some one said well if you get more than one header with it, they are already over a million.
 I remember when going over $100,000 was the the big talk. Now 10 times more and how much more is grain. But going twice as fast with twice the header, you get it warren out before interest kills you. So maybe the BTO with a lease of the machine and no grease gun knows more.
Edited by Ray54 - 22 Nov 2021 at 12:37pm
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FREEDGUY
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 4:48pm |
Ray54 wrote:
steve(ill) wrote:
4 miles an hour is 21,000 ft........... x 30 ft wide = 630,000 sq ft or ...16 acres per hour...
at $30 per thats $480. per hour ........... (assuming the 4 MPH and 30 wide are correct)..
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Come on Steve I knew 99% could do this, but can Jeff? Rather simple math and one of those round it off and close is good enough for what its for.
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 5:00pm |
shameless dude wrote:
different crops bring different rental rates. there are all kinds of senerios as to what custom harvesters charge. some charge so much per acre plus so much per bushel, some charge just by the acres, some charge of time the machine is used, some charge as a trade off on something else, i have rented combines thru my lifetime, you have to figure out if the grain left in the field is worth more to you to harvest it or leave it. there are many custom harvesting companies out there, some charge the same way, some don't. just hafta find one that fits your harvest. and another reason for high rental rates...who's gonna cover the fuel/upkeep and repairs? is there any support equipment included? |
The poster of the AT thread "lent" the neighbor his combine and a draper head(no width given) and the "borrower" supplied his own corn head. Nothing was implied about fuel but the "borrowers" machine blew an engine with minimal acres of corn/beans to harvest. By "lent", the borrower knows he will be paying (sadly in more ways than one with a blown engine), the OP was asking what was fair  !! Kudos to the guy wanting to be fair, he is from Canada and not from California
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 8:19pm |
Freed, I guess I missed the part of the "borrower's" engine is blown. Out here it probably would have cost him fuel at the most or more likely nothing and the neighbors with John Deere's and IH's would have just went and finished cutting his crops. The neighbors with Gleaner's would be setting at home by the fireplace not helping cut his crop because they were down with harvest for over 2 weeks and had their combines cleaned up and put in the shed already unlike those poor bastards running Deere and IH! Thus, the "borrower" would have understood that once a combine is clean for the season you don't want to get it dirty again.
Edited by Kansas99 - 22 Nov 2021 at 8:21pm
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Posted: 22 Nov 2021 at 9:32pm |
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If you go by the hour you should have a cart chasing the combine at all times and enough trucks to haul away. Also helps to have big long fields, not spending alot of time opening small fields.
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