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Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  
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tar and chip roads are Fantastic... 1000% better than the old dusty / gravel / chuck hole county roads... They did ours 30 years ago... BEST move the county ever did !
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Originally posted by steve(ill) steve(ill) wrote:

tar and chip roads are Fantastic... 1000% better than the old dusty / gravel / chuck hole county roads... They did ours 30 years ago... BEST move the county ever did !
 
But they do "ours" every 2 years Confused ?? And the "chipped" roads do not address pot holes "here" LOLLOL That pea gravel only stays in a hole for so long ClapClap!!
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pea gravel is not CHIPS............ and you dont do it every 2 years..... Maybe they need LESSONS on how to TAR and CHIP.

Edited by steve(ill) - 12 Sep 2021 at 7:04pm
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My Great Grandfather started the first road oil business in Madison County IL in the 1920s, found a use for the then Free residual Bunker asphalt from the refineries at Wood River.
He built a significant chip and seal road business that he gave to my Great Aunt Laura and her Husband as a wedding gift.

The company was sold several times and is still in business doing the Alleys around East Alton Wood River and associated burgs around Edwardsville IL
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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  
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Pea stone is cheaper than chipped stone. When pea stone is used another coating of emollient is applied over the top to hold the pea stone. Emollient is expensive but not as much as asphalt. Your County Road Commission is saving money by only applying one coating and they could care less about your windshield as speed limit signs are posted to drive 35 mph which everyone ignores!
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Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  
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Sorry DUDE, it's the oncoming traffic WinkWink !! I refrain from tail gating BTW, BUT I've been known to get a tail gater off of my ass without the use of pea gravel ClapClap !!
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Originally posted by klinemar klinemar wrote:

Pea stone is cheaper than chipped stone. When pea stone is used another coating of emollient is applied over the top to hold the pea stone. Emollient is expensive but not as much as asphalt. Your County Road Commission is saving money by only applying one coating and they could care less about your windshield as speed limit signs are posted to drive 35 mph which everyone ignores!
 
You must live in Cass/Berrien county area Embarrassed Clap !! 
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No road is better than the base it is built on. Then weight of the heaviest loads, so there is enough base it is not buckling and pumping. If the volume of traffic is low a chip seal should last years.

The last 30 years or more the county has been chip sealing main country roads when the asphalt starts  "alligatoring" ( term from the engineers for cracks). With the idea tar and gravel seals to keep much of the water from sinking into the road base. They hope to get 5 to 10 years out of this chip seal over real pavement. On these jobs after few days they use a rotary broom to sweep all the loose rock off into the gutter. If the job was done right very little loose rock to sweep.


Would not surprise me if the chip sealing start here in Calif as a lot heavy tar like oil bubbled up the surface in the old days. Still many of the producing wells use steam injection to thin the heavy oil so it pumps better.


When I was a kid most was sand sealing. But today all pea size rock. But it is all sharp angular rock that has never been tumbled down the river. All fresh crushed from bigger rocks. Wink What I think Steve was meaning by saying not pea gravel.LOL

    
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RIGHT... its called TAR  and CHIP because thats what you do... GEt a good gravel base with no chuck holes.. Spray the TAR on thick... then spread CHIPS ( crushed lime stone and dust) onto the top of the tar.. Road ends up WHITE that night.. Drive on it for 2 weeks and the stone works down into the tar and road turns 75% BLACK.... In 2 months i looks very similar to Black Top... there is no "loose gravel" if done properly.
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Here limestone is almost never used. Mostly granite I think.

Wink A big lime quarry a few miles west of me I would guess better than 1000 ton a day. Never have seen there material used on a road. Confused I think the contracts call for a harder rock than the limestone. I have pile granite (100 yards plus) of chip rock a that was extra from a contractor chipping 20 to 30 miles of road in the area. He wanted a surge pile as he was trucking it over 100 miles and did not want the crew waiting for rock. Had Cat 980 loader 2 scoops per belly dump trailer on sets of doubles. 
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SO, to answer my own question from the variety of locations of replies, C/S is done across the US regardless of the tar/aggregate Embarrassed!!
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No,but I have worked in that area.
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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  
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Sorry DUDE, it's the oncoming traffic WinkWink !! I refrain from tail gating BTW, BUT I've been known to get a tail gater off of my ass without the use of pea gravel ClapClap !!
ya, well given your 'solution' you have bragged about employing on bicyclist that annoy you, I can only imagine your stunt for those who you deem following too close behind you! I suspect it involves reckless driving, and/or is otherwise dangerous, making it two morons on the road instead of just one! If I have someone on my six and I cannot speed up, I let him by ASAP. safer for everybody that way! anyways, I still haven't heard your answer concerning 'winkers'
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 Our county here in Ohio only uses limestone for chip & sealing the road around here and the roads hold up great 
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there is a good percentage of DUST when you use limestone chips.. I think that helps fill in the gaps and pack things tight ............. as compared to pea gravel.
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We were always happy to see the "back roads" gat chip and sealed.  But now our great governor who raised our taxes and the price of license plates is doing chip and seal on 6.6 miles of state route 154 going east out of Sparta, Illinois.  People can't believe it...loose rock and so far...lots of dust.   Thanks gov.

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In Iowa it's called seal coat and they use 3/8 washed limestone, if I remember right the specification was 100% passing the 1/2 sieve or screen, 50 to 100 on the 3/8 sieve,0 to 50 on the #4 sieve, and #8 sieve 0 to 8 and the emollient is between 180 to 200 degrees when lay or sprayed on the road. This was one of many gradations that I run in the 18 years I was in QC for my former employer 
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Originally posted by LouSWPA LouSWPA wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  
STOP TAILGATING those in front of you Wacko
 
Sorry DUDE, it's the oncoming traffic WinkWink !! I refrain from tail gating BTW, BUT I've been known to get a tail gater off of my ass without the use of pea gravel ClapClap !!
ya, well given your 'solution' you have bragged about employing on bicyclist that annoy you, I can only imagine your stunt for those who you deem following too close behind you! I suspect it involves reckless driving, and/or is otherwise dangerous, making it two morons on the road instead of just one! If I have someone on my six and I cannot speed up, I let him by ASAP. safer for everybody that way! anyways, I still haven't heard your answer concerning 'winkers' 
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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Originally posted by LouSWPA LouSWPA wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  
STOP TAILGATING those in front of you Wacko
 
Sorry DUDE, it's the oncoming traffic WinkWink !! I refrain from tail gating BTW, BUT I've been known to get a tail gater off of my ass without the use of pea gravel ClapClap !!
ya, well given your 'solution' you have bragged about employing on bicyclist that annoy you, I can only imagine your stunt for those who you deem following too close behind you! I suspect it involves reckless driving, and/or is otherwise dangerous, making it two morons on the road instead of just one! If I have someone on my six and I cannot speed up, I let him by ASAP. safer for everybody that way! anyways, I still haven't heard your answer concerning 'winkers' 
IT WAS NOT BICYCLIST  !! It was a RAGING Harly Jack Off WinkWink !! 

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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Originally posted by LouSWPA LouSWPA wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Originally posted by PaulB PaulB wrote:

Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  
STOP TAILGATING those in front of you Wacko
 
Sorry DUDE, it's the oncoming traffic WinkWink !! I refrain from tail gating BTW, BUT I've been known to get a tail gater off of my ass without the use of pea gravel ClapClap !!
ya, well given your 'solution' you have bragged about employing on bicyclist that annoy you, I can only imagine your stunt for those who you deem following too close behind you! I suspect it involves reckless driving, and/or is otherwise dangerous, making it two morons on the road instead of just one! If I have someone on my six and I cannot speed up, I let him by ASAP. safer for everybody that way! anyways, I still haven't heard your answer concerning 'winkers' 
IT WAS NOT BICYCLIST  !! It was a RAGING Harly Jack Off WinkWink !! 

Oh, well OK then, that makes it OK?? Still making it two morons on the road instead of just one! 
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Around here I thinking they must be using crushed asphalt now as the the roads are black when they get done.
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Are called Millings, the use of asphalt or pavement milling machines to grade prep for a asphalt overlay they end up with truck loads of Millings that cannot be put back down, mostly smaller chunks of rock with some oil.  There are a few businesses around here that are 'Accepting' this waste product for hauling fees to add a new application of Asphaltic oil and more rock to get a quick pour overlay surface.  Works good on low traffic and already high density road base that just needs a top coat.
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the 'city fathers' dredid my road 3 years ago. ground up the original 1950 pavement,power rolled it,aded tar, layer of chips,rolled, 2nd later of tar, more chips, rolled. when done it was 6-8" HIGHER than before allowing 4" of ice to form in my driveway. it's a coarser grade 'pebbles',loks like a typical 'orange peel' finish you see on $75K trucks today...Never saw on tape measure, ruler, laser,transit or other device used by anyone...might explain the 1,000s and 1,000s of gallons of water running were it never did before. neighbour's lost 15-20 tandem loads of topsoil so far....
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Originally posted by FREEDGUY FREEDGUY wrote:

Is this practice of county roads maintenance  a "here" thing, or is it done nation wide ?? I'm beginning to see why they refer to it as "CHIP" CryCry, I've got 2 of them in my windshield over the past 2 weeks AngryAngry !!  



Here it’s how they fix the highways. Very common
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Originally posted by DanWi DanWi wrote:

Around here I thinking they must be using crushed asphalt now as the the roads are black when they get done.
YES Dan Smile !! I stopped at an intersection JUST this evening ang grabbed a handful, THAT'S EXACTLY what it was Big smileClapClap !!
No, there are NO broomings of the roadways "here" to alleviate the "chipped" windshields Confused
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