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    Posted: 24 Jan 2021 at 10:03am
We have a well with submersible pump about 15' from our house. The pressure tank and switch is in the basement. The basement wall is poured cement.
Would it be OK. to put a Tee in the line between the well/pump and house to feed an out building?

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'technically' nothing wrong but.... I'd be drilling a hole so that WHEN needed, you can shut OFF the water to the outbuilding. Otherwise the ONLY way to stop a leak, would be to kill power to the pump...and I'm betting those IN the house would be upset......
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It can be done but I don't know if it will meet code in your area. You will likely see a sharp rise in pressure to the outbuilding when the pump comes on and you will have to have a cutoff buried in the ground. Like Jay says it would be best to connect a line downstream of the tank and run the line through the basement wall. Pat may have better advice and I will defer to his expert opinion.
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I don't see it working for water in the out building that way.  The only time that water would be going to the out building would be when the pressure dropped to the tank, and kicked the pump, as needed in the house.  There should be a check type valve next to the pressure tank to stop any backflow towards the well, thus not letting water to flow to the outbuilding that way, when the pump is not running. 

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Move the check valve outside between the tee and the well. This assumes the check valve would be accessible.
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Seems most yard hydrants are hooked up near well casings with T on line feeding to pressure tank and switch . Real common , is it the best method ?
 A shut off is a good idea , I feed my outside hydrants from line in house , then to buildings and hydrants but in summer i get sweating on pipes running in basement as water is drawn .
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Like others have said Dusty, it will work but not 100 percent to code . If it was a house where showers are being taken I would not . If watering livestock or garden it would be ok
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Originally posted by ElizabethLee ElizabethLee wrote:

The best solution is to put an emergency switch on the pump so that the water does not flood the entire basement if it breaks. By the way, what do you think of the plumbing profession? I want to train in this business to understand how everything works. I've already started to understand a bit of everything, but I need more knowledge to get to another level. I enrolled in one of the schools that I found on a website that my friend recommended to me. You can click here to learn more about this profession if you are interested. I see it as a great prospect.

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My well is 100' from the house, was originally set up and powered from the shop so the T feeds the house.  No tank or controls in the house, all in the shop.
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Wow... two spambot hits in one thread... amazing!

So, when you have a well in the hole, and a pressure tank in the basement, there's a check valve on the pressure tank, and on the foot valve of the well... that means the pressure switch is on a side of the line that will NOT respond to demand on the Tee'd off section to your outbuilding.

You'd need a second pressure tank in the outbuilding, and a second switch, to kick on the pump control inside the house.

What I would do, is dig the outbuilding line in, use a core-drill to cut through the concrete basement wall, stuff the gap full of grout on the outside, then use good sealant on the inside, and pipe that (through a cutoff valve with drain cap) to your pressure tank outlet... that way you have full authority to knock off the outbuilding, for emergency, service, or winterizing needs... and it doesn't impact the integrity of your house system.
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