Traction boostr learning curve, WD45

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   Years ago when we were kids we would ride our bike around and visit the neighbor kids.  One day Dad was plowing with a D-17 demonstrator.  The neighbor kid (Oliver family) came over and asked me how big a plow is behind that little tractor, when I said 4 bottoms he did not have anything to say.

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Dennis(IA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Silver Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: IOWA Points: 356	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dennis(IA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 2021 at 3:59pm
	Years ago when we were kids we would ride our bike around and visit the neighbor kids. One day Dad was plowing with a D-17 demonstrator. The neighbor kid (Oliver family) came over and asked me how big a plow is behind that little tractor, when I said 4 bottoms he did not have anything to say.

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FREEDGUY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391	Post Options Post Reply Quote FREEDGUY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 2021 at 4:27pm
	We ran a WD and a series 2 D17. The '17 had a "graduated" lever UNDER the main hydraulic lever . Was there a separate lever for TB on the WD series ??

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19475	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(1) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 2021 at 4:38pm
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FREEDGUY Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 15 Apr 2017 Location: South West Mich Points: 5391	Post Options Post Reply Quote FREEDGUY Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 2021 at 4:44pm
	Thank's Doc. Can you refresh my memory on how the TB was actuated on the WD ?? I was only 7 when I ran the WD, did the '14,15's have the same quadrant as the '17's ?? Edited by FREEDGUY - 24 Oct 2021 at 4:53pm

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19475	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 2021 at 5:01pm
	D-14-15-17-19 all the same operation with a separate short notched tooth lever on the steering column. CA-WD-WD45's all had to have the hydraulic pump configured (screws A-B-C and D) for Traction Booster operation and used the one and only Lift-Lower lever to make the TBoost system function.

allisbred Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 28 Mar 2015 Location: Hanover Pa Points: 1011	Post Options Post Reply Quote allisbred Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 2021 at 6:23pm
	Did the D series have a delayed lift/drop from the rear hydraulic remote that could be timed from the lift arms? I always thought that to be pretty slick engineering of the 50’s.

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19475	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 24 Oct 2021 at 6:47pm
	WD/WD45 had the front of the cultivator drop first and then when you pulled the lift/lower lever clear down, the lift arms dropped the scratcher. D-series didn't have it that way.

IBWD MIke Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3436	Post Options Post Reply Quote IBWD MIke Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Nov 2021 at 6:52am
	Got out to another plow-day Saturday. As discussed in this thread; https://www.allischalmers.com/forum/need-a-part-p-n-wd45_topic184299.html I plowed with the wide front 45 having the spring installed. Could not detect any difference in performance, good or bad. Traction Booster still did it's job nicely.

IBWD MIke Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3436	Post Options Post Reply Quote IBWD MIke Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 29 Nov 2021 at 1:29pm
	Another update, kind-of. After running the sub-soiler with the nf 45 I decided to take a shim out of it. I put it in the Wide front as I think I took out a bit much last year, time will tell. Probably own't get a chance to test it out until next year. I just keep trying to fine-tune things.

JLS retired Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Bronze Level Joined: 22 Apr 2021 Location: SE Missouri Points: 42	Post Options Post Reply Quote JLS retired Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2021 at 3:58pm
	Must be nice to have uniform soils. 27 acre field next to grandpa's garden ran from sand at the bottom to black bottom to blue clay to red clay to wind blown loam at the top of the hill. Filled left front tire so as the traction booster worked the front furrow tire would ride up in the air and we could set the traction booster lighter or deeper to use "all the tractor" When set right the furrow tire would just touch the dirt with the ribs and the plow would work as deep as the tractor would work.

DrAllis Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Access Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Points: 19475	Post Options Post Reply Quote DrAllis Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 07 Dec 2021 at 5:40pm
	For best Traction Booster results, there must be enough front end weight to keep the nose down, so the rear tires can fully benefit from the weight transfer.

IBWD MIke Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3436	Post Options Post Reply Quote IBWD MIke Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 08 Dec 2021 at 8:53am
	The next chapter in this story just came home Saturday. Learning to use the traction booster with the CA shouldn't be too hard. Will have to get the book out, I assume it is similar to how WD's work. It would be nice to have a set of engine side weights for it but I'm not holding my breathe! Have lots of 1/2X4" flat stock, may make some brackets to hang some weights on using the side weight mounting holes. Also would like to have a working gauge.

Dave(inMA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2395	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave(inMA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2021 at 5:48am
	Mike - read your "CAx2" thread. Are you saying that the TB gauge on the "new" CA isn't working? Seems to me that I recently read a thread on here that described differences in the TB system in the CA vs WD45, mostly to do with set up and triggering it....but maybe I'm making that up.
	WC, CA, D14, WD45

IBWD MIke Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3436	Post Options Post Reply Quote IBWD MIke Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2021 at 9:06am
	Dave, you made me dig out the op. manual. It reads like you engage it just like a WD/45. I don't remember that thread you mention. Looking forward to plowing with this thing! Some of the plow-days I go to are a ways away, be nice to have a tractor/plow that is a little lighter than the 45! Though I really love plowing with that thing!

Dave(inMA) Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 12 Sep 2009 Location: Grafton, MA Points: 2395	Post Options Post Reply Quote Dave(inMA) Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2021 at 9:39am
	Ha! See Dr Allis's Oct 24, 2021 posts in this thread. Start with the one at 6:01pm. The differences I'm recalling were between the D series and the CA-WD-WD45 series, not the CA vs WD45. Sorry to send you on a useless chase! I'm working on rehabbing a 3-14 plow for my WD45, mostly because I'd like to hear that machine really digging in to do some work. Not much call for that around my 2.7 acres in MA! Fortunately I have a neighbor who is still farming - he lets me bring my tractors over to his place to try them out. I envy you all out in the midwest where land is flat and not stuffed with rocks - a plow day in New England is a mighty rare event.
	WC, CA, D14, WD45

IBWD MIke Members Profile Send Private Message Find Members Posts Add to Buddy List Orange Level Joined: 08 Apr 2012 Location: Newton Ia. Points: 3436	Post Options Post Reply Quote IBWD MIke Report Post Thanks(0) Quote Reply Posted: 09 Dec 2021 at 2:09pm
	Dave, I remember the D-series part of the discussion. Good luck with the 3-14's. My two best plows for the 45's are both 3-16's, feel at a bit of a disadvantage when guys show up with a 706 or a JD G and 3-14's. I have a model 63 3-14's in the shed, may dig it out along with the 62 2-14's next spring. Think they both have pretty good wear parts on them and the adjustments are free.